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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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with all the news this week about

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hillary clinton and about her email and

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all that other utter nonsense

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we're going to talk about

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ufos

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and the clintons

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e.t

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see in the meantime on after the power

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cast last week we had chris and also

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gogsmaking

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but chris

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said something there which led me to

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believe that as far as cattle

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mutilations are concerned

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you're now looking as a possibility the

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e.t hypothesis

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well i've always looked at it as a

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possibility

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i just have been

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led by where my research and

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where the facts

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you know if you look at the data you

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look at the particular cases you look at

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patterns and how the cases ebb and flow

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you know you allow the

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the facts and the data if you're

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objective to um to lead you in

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particular directions or lines of

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thinking

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you know i mentioned just kind of as as

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an aside last week that you know i felt

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diving in david perkins and i and

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analyzing

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the mountains of data that are

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contained in the first book stalking the

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herd

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i'm starting to be pulled back in a

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direction of a possible

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e.t

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scenario

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um just slightly it's almost like with

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ray stanford uh his work

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pulled me back towards the idea of

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et's coming here

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just based on on the rationale that he

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proposed that you know these

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objects are

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if they're coming great distances

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they're probably coming in grandmother

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ships as ray would put it and they're

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discharging mother ships which then

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discharge smaller scout type ships for

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the very simple reason of maximizing

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energy

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and so

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when i'm looking at the cattle

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death phenomenon

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you know when you look at the fact that

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there have been hundreds of helicopter

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sightings around these

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locations

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that have been fairly well documented

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you know you take into account the fact

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that nobody has ever reported one of

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these helicopters crashing or running

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out of fuel or

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having some sort of mechanical

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difficulty and if you look at the

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you know the history of

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culpability and and people being charged

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or convicted of these crimes no one ever

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has so

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you you have to be intellectually honest

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and look at that and say well what are

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the odds of

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you know thousands of

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potential covert ops let's say if there

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if it's a human agent uh behind these or

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uh human agencies behind these events

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you would think that there someone would

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mess up at some point you know the

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helicopter would crash uh somebody would

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would

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mess up and and um

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you'd have some sort of smoking gun

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uh event that would

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point you in the direction of you know

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human fallibility and we don't have that

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in order to be

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completely objective and intellectually

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honest i have to say well what are the

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odds of this

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type of operation occurring thousands of

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times with

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you know completely flawlessly and you

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know the odds are pretty high against it

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you know i have to uh be brutally honest

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uh and objective and look at this as

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you know possible

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evidence to support a high strange

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et ultra terrestrial crypto terrestrial

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whatever you want but something

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non-human

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that uh may be behind at least a portion

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of these cases so

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you know i mean i'm sure my thinking lab

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and flow uh back and forth a number of

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times

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over the course of this

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follow-up book and and the project of

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researching it and and getting you know

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a proper analysis done of all the data

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in the first book so

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i'm not here to bang a drum i i don't

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have a particular agenda except i want

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to get to the truth and

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uh the facts and the data will lead me

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in

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the direction that the facts and data

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will lead me so

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i'll be the first to admit that uh you

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know the et scenario is

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a possibility i've never discounted it

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i've just thought that the likelihood of

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of

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being involved in the calculation

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phenomena or or the ufo phenomena if

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that for that matter

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um i feel is lower

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than uh

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more closed system sort of home spun uh

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explanations so you know um

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be that as it may we're

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forging ahead and

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and dispassionately looking at all this

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data as objectively as possible

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now when you say bang on the drum all

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day i think of todd rundgren

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well i don't know why but he sang a song

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todd rundgren bang on a drum

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mark bowlin banged on a gong

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i don't remember

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todd rundgren banging on a drum but

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never heard it huh

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i have the lyrics right here

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bang the drum all day lyrics i don't

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want to work i want to bang on the drum

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all day i don't want to play i just want

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to bang on the drum all day from todd

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rundgren

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i realize that means nothing to anybody

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but let's get back to the important

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stuff here

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so part of the operating theory here

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is that these helicopters are too

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perfect helicopters crash

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they develop problems unfortunately

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ufos crashed too at least in roswell

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don't don't get me started

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i'm not going to i'm not going to even

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broach that yeah and

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no i didn't go to roswell for the uh

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thousands of people dressed up as aliens

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i don't know it's just the stuff of

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nightmares as far as i'm concerned so

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i'm glad that i'm

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no one ever invites me anywhere so

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least of all roswell so i guess i should

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count my uh blessings

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so it doesn't appear as if anyone made a

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big deal about the roswell shindig at

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least for this year

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i haven't heard much of anything i guess

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maybe nobody cares anymore

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well i like all i have to do is look at

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don schmidt sitting there like

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the whole roswell slide incident didn't

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happen and everybody's giving them the

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ultimate uh

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you know

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do-over sort of oh well yeah screw us

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once shame on you screw us twice shame

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on us

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uh i just it for the life of me i can't

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believe how

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people are able to

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get up and pretend like you know

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incidents like that

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never occurred it just boggles my mind

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you know

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what can i say

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well i don't believe in perfect

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spaceships either from other planets i

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tend to think

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politics are the same around the

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universe and therefore

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they have them built by the lowest

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that got a response from you wow

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you know what can i say gene

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listen e.t can't be perfect

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we assume et is perfect because it might

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be more advanced than we are

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i don't know

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but i'm just thinking here as we look

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towards today's episode

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i'm not expecting a lot

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it will be a fun kind of story

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the clinton ufo storybook i mean

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nowadays it's a big thing to have a book

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with the name clinton on it we have

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clinton cash

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we have clinton this clinton that

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we have clinton email i'm sure there's a

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book that's being written about that

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right now

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but the clinton ufo storybook is from

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grant cameron

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who's the guy who's been exploring the

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interests of the governments especially

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the president of the us

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and whether we can even expect

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a president of the u.s to provide

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any positive information

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about ufos that would help us learn

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what's going on

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and i don't think so i don't think

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anything's going to happen about it i

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think that even if hillary clinton is

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really interested in the subject

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would really like to do something

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once she gets in there

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nothing will happen because nothing ever

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happens but we're going to ask grant

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cameron in our next segment about that

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so you have gene and you have chris

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with the clinton ufo storybook coming up

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grant cameron has written a book called

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the clinton ufo storybook and subtitled

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e.t politics in the white house

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and you have a i guess a co-author or

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someone who helped you

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castillo what was her role uh she helped

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do some editing and i pushed a lot of

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stuff through and talked to her about it

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so

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okay not a major role but she was she

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had some influence in the book and i had

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a lot of editing people and but she was

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one of the main people okay so we're

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obviously not going to have a donald

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trump ufo storybook because he's never

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mentioned the subject and i'm kind of

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interested in that because we get to the

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clintons in a moment but certainly

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hillary clinton has been on national

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television one of the all-night shows

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where she said she's interested and

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wants to kind of get to the bottom of it

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and i figured that by that time we get a

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tweet from donald trump

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about crooked hillary being

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an e.t believer or flying saucer nut or

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something but we never saw that did we

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yeah that's right yeah some of that goes

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back to the fact that it's not really

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hillary hillary has never brought up the

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subject hillary has answered three

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questions from three different people is

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john podesta that's behind it and i

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insist

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that john podesta because he's chairman

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for the hillary clinton campaign

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everything i believe in a campaign goes

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through a focus group because if he had

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brought up the subject and said lena

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dunham had done an interview said lina

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good interview next time ask her about

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the aliens that's how it started if she

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had suddenly dropped 20 points in the

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polls uh john podesta who's a very sort

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of distinguished democrat would have

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gone down history as the stupidest guy

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that ever lived so i me insist that he

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had to put this in front of a focus

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group and realized that this was no

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longer the toxic issue that we always

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believed it was and evidently donald

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trump's advisers most of whom are donald

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trump probably came to the same

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conclusion because i think he'd say it i

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mean he can't stop talking about things

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that maybe other candidates don't talk

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about but look you're a canadian you

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don't have to deal with this guy we have

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to but that's another story unless they

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toss them out remember we're recording

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this show

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on the day that the u.s house of

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representatives is talking to james

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comey the fbi director

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about hillary clinton's emails and i

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really don't care

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i'd rather talk about the ufo connection

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but this goes back

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in your book to

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her husband's white house run and his

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interest

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so if we look at the beginning here

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where did we first get any indication

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that bill clinton

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might have some interest in ufos at

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least

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a promise to look into it or was that

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john podesta too back then uh john

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podesta had a big part of it i i

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mentioned in the book that bill did a

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number of executive orders where he

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declassified a whole bunch of stuff

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podesta was there the day bill walked

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into the white house and he said i

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walked out the door with him so he's

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always been with the clintons

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and he's always a big guy on open

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government so bill in 1994 and one

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stroke of a pen declassified 15 percent

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of all the material in the national

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archives all the world war ii records in

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1995 and i believe pedestrians behind

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that he famous executive order that said

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anything over 25 years unless you've got

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an exemption has to be declassified that

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released a billion pages of material

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that was formally classified and then in

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1996 it was a stroke of a pen he

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declassified all the satellite stuff all

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the corona photograph images and all

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this kind of stuff so i believe podesta

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was behind that kind of stuff as to bill

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bill and hillary bringing in a lot of

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new age people into camp david for sort

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of like the weekend interest you know

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entertainment type stuff and i mentioned

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the fact that i had gotten an invite to

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a

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he did send webster hubble over webster

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hubble has actually been in contact with

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reporters since and seems to be playing

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around with the issue and is not really

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talking about what he discovered because

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we asked him questions like did you get

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a briefing did you request a briefing

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where's the paperwork for for your

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investigation so bill sends webster

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hublot to look for this kind of material

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and then of course there's the famous

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rockefeller situation where lawrence

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rockefeller says whoever comes in and

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whether it was perot or whether it was

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bush whether it was clinton he told bud

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hopkins who told me the story that he

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was going to the president and he was

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going to get ufo disclosure and that's

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when bud said to him well mr rockefeller

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i don't think that's how it works he

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said i don't care that's what i'm going

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to do i'm going to the president i'm

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going to get disclosure because bill won

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the election rockefeller is very

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powerful guy couldn't be sort of

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sloughed off

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makes this move to get to the president

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he never does get to the president but

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he makes this move to get disclosure

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from the clinton white house and that

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drags the clintons into this situation

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with the science advisor where they have

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to deal for three years with lawrence

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rockefeller

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so at the end they just shuffle him off

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as some kind of lunatic millionaire well

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they have to deal with them because he

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he issues two very distinct threats and

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this is where i get into the i sort of

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changed what i've been saying for a

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number of years that the president knows

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and

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what happens is i think rockefeller

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knows this as well that the president is

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aware of the thing and he should just

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come clean and he should release it so

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what happens is there's two threats that

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every time rockefeller didn't get what

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he wanted he was dealing with dr jack

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gibbons who was a science advisor to

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president clinton when he wouldn't get

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what he wanted he would always threaten

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to send this letter to the president he

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had this draft letter on ufo disclosure

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which i put in the in the book in this

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letter it basically

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demands openly that the president

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disclose and they did everything that

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they could to stop him from sending this

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letter to bill clinton and that would

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have officially put on the record and

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this was the letter that hillary clinton

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helped edit with lawrence rockefeller so

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they tried to stop him from that and the

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other thing that he threatened was that

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if he didn't get what he wanted that he

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would put a major ad in every major

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newspaper in the united states a

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full-page ad what he was going to say in

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this ad was mr president what do you

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know when did you learn it have you told

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congress don't try to go it alone the

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people

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need to be involved don't try to go it

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alone so he's basically saying to the

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president we know that you know what's

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going on you have to just disclose this

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so that was another thing that they

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tried to get rockefeller to not do and

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that's when they make the deal for

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roswelt where they say to him we're

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trying to help you if this thing is as

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deep as you say it is this cover-up and

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if it is as wide as you say it is

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there's no way we're going to get all

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this stuff disclosed so what we'll do is

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give us one case we'll declassify that

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one case and then we'll go after the

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rest of it and that's when rockefeller

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says okay i want roswell to

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reinvestigate it and that's why in 1993

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the u.s air force gets back into the

551
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roswell investigation it's not because

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u.s air force has nothing better to do

553
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they got some money they need to spend

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it was because the government accounting

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office was also looking at the roswell

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thing and bill clinton greenlighted this

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investigation so the air force has to go

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back in and reinvestigate the roswell

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crash not because they want to but

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because they're forced to do it case

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closed and when they put the case closed

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up clinton sees it he makes this famous

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statement in 1995 where he says if the

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u.s air force did recover bodies they

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didn't tell me about it and i want to

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know and that's because in the first

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roswell report it doesn't mention the

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body so clinton makes this challenge to

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explain the bodies and that's when they

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do a second roswell report again they

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get dragged into it and they have to do

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another roswell report and that's when

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they come up with the crash test dummies

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that are misidentified as four foot tall

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aliens by roswell witnesses in 1947.

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we've got grand cameron talking about

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clinton and e.t and all that good stuff

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with gene and chris you're in the

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[Applause]

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so you went through a bunch of different

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factoids there grand cameron

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and i wanted to maybe disassemble them

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and some chris will also this public

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letter what are we talking about it was

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basically a public letter that

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rockefeller sent to a bunch of people he

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had the science science advisor the

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president looked it over with their and

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everybody's making comments he i i

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believe he sent it to um

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billy graham

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and hillary in one of the documents

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details that hillary was helping at it

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and it's just basically a letter

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demanding the disclosure of the ufo

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phenomena to the american people it's a

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page and a half letter which

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is in draft form and as i've said i i

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don't believe it was ever delivered to

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the president every time they wanted to

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he wanted to send it they would sort of

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give him what he wanted so i don't

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believe it was ever delivered to the

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president

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well that didn't go very well did it

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okay i'm kind of confused here also

724
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about the john podesta connection so we

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know of course that he's interested in

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ufos and is responsible for what hillary

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has said during the campaign he also

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wrote an introduction to leslie kane's

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book on ufos so working with the

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clintons in the 90s

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how did podesta become someone who's

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really really actively interested in

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ufos well we don't know where john

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podesta got his interest we just know

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that he was known in the clinton white

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house as the x-files man that in the

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sort of the room going into his office

738
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he had all his x-files paraphernalia all

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over the place he was very open about

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the fact that he had phoned area 51 to

741
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see what was going on that he was

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interested in x-files he believed that

743
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he was interested in the subject

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and didn't really hide it and

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the one of the things i identify

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that he was a very open government guy

747
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but when it came to

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his 50th birthday party the clintons

749
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held a x-files birthday party for him in

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the white house and that was one of the

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foias i filed with the clinton library

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after the clintons left the white house

753
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is for uh 80 i think was 83 or 84

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photographs and a videotape of that

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birthday party and that was the one foia

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that absolutely i got nothing they said

757
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it was a personal information

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and they weren't going to release it and

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i i appealed it i lost the appeal

760
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bill clinton and his lawyer lindsay

761
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turned it down said i couldn't get it

762
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and i said i mean this was a public

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birthday party it was paid for by

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american taxpayers inside the white

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house and you can't have the chief of

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staff uh claiming you know personal

767
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information and but it was basically

768
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turned down and the reason i believe it

769
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was turned down was that bill and

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hillary had actually dressed up as the

771
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x-files in this birthday party the the

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two x-files characters in this birthday

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party so bill and hillary were playing

774
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into this but podesta was very very

775
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interested a lot of it has to do not so

776
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maybe not so much with ufos because he

777
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also went after obama if you remember in

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2000 and well i came out with the exact

779
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year was but he goes after obama for the

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drones in the middle east he writes an

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offed piece in the in the washington

782
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post and he says uh we've killed four

783
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americans with these drones and i think

784
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the people need to know he's a very open

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00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,000
government he's a what's known as a

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madison man john podesta's basic bottom

787
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line is that you cannot have a democracy

788
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if the people do not know what's going

789
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,279
on your vote is totally useless the only

790
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way you can vote is if you know what's

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going on in the government but if you

792
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don't know you don't have a democracy so

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he's very big on opening up everything

794
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,760
and he really is sort of like steve

795
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,200
bassett he doesn't really look at the

796
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,960
implications he doesn't really care

797
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,559
what's really going to happen he

798
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,320
basically says he believes that people

799
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,559
can handle it and it's the law so let's

800
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,279
do it now just parenthetically what do

801
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,120
we think the government actually knows

802
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,679
about ufos obviously they deny things

803
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,919
when stuff is released from the freedom

804
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,159
of information act and they by the way

805
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,760
updated that act just

806
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:19,600
very recently to provide more

807
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,039
transparency and the online publishing

808
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:24,960
or posting of documents we'll get into

809
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,440
that in a moment but what is it that you

810
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:29,600
think they know do we think they know

811
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,320
that

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00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,360
ufos are e.t are they in contact with

813
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,520
e.t or maybe what they know is they

814
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,720
don't know

815
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,159
oh i think they know i think they know a

816
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,640
great deal i think it's just a game of

817
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,200
its uh as you see with this hearing with

818
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,919
hillary today it's top secret special

819
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,480
compartmentalized information it's the

820
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,960
uh sort of stuff that they really don't

821
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,480
care if you're interested in it

822
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,640
curiosity is not sufficient need to know

823
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,320
and that this is classified material i

824
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,840
think the president knows and that's the

825
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,159
thing that changed in my opinion was i

826
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,760
believe that the president actually does

827
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,679
know and that's what the basic cover-up

828
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,519
is about is trying to protect the fact

829
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,279
that the president is the wizard of oz

830
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,360
he's the guy running the cover-up and so

831
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,679
you want to have people think that like

832
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,600
bill clinton puts out you know i i

833
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,960
really did i tried to find out i

834
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,240
couldn't figure out you know i'm just a

835
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,720
puppet i really know what's going on and

836
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,720
we have we have this sort of conspiracy

837
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,200
theory that uh there's some deep dark

838
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,880
cabal or wizard of oz running the

839
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,399
government and that the government

840
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,600
really doesn't know what's going on and

841
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,159
i firmly believe that there's been 13

842
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,600
administrations who have dealt with this

843
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,399
subject and there's been you know seven

844
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,840
democratic administrations six

845
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,600
republican administrations and they've

846
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,440
all done exactly the same thing which

847
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,600
means to me that they believe it's legal

848
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,360
they believe it's constitutional and

849
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,799
everybody believes that they're covering

850
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,480
it up for the right reasons and i think

851
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,000
it all has to do with technology it has

852
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,080
to do with back engineering it has to do

853
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,600
with you know the technology of the

854
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,679
consciousness where i believe that they

855
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,720
recovered a a live alien in 1947 and you

856
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,720
have this uh telepathy consciousness

857
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,679
aspect of the to the phenomena that that

858
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,360
they're very interested in

859
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,600
so to me i believe they they know and

860
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,360
the rest of it is all just trying to

861
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,840
protect provide plausible deniability to

862
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,880
the president

863
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,440
okay so this is a belief by the way i

864
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,440
just want to clarify that we don't know

865
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:17,279
what they know chris you're about to say

866
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,080
something

867
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,320
yeah one thing that really kind of

868
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,880
raised my eyebrows uh some months back

869
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,120
when i think hillary was first

870
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,279
approached about the

871
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,039
ufo question

872
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:31,600
i forget exactly what the question was

873
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,840
or how her answer uh was prompted but

874
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,200
she made the

875
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:39,760
very to me interesting

876
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,919
misstatement about area 54 in new mexico

877
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,039
now

878
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,080
being in the white house for eight years

879
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,600
knowing john podesta

880
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,760
as well as she does

881
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:52,960
you would think that hillary clinton

882
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,000
knows about area 51 in nevada why

883
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,519
do you think grant that she would

884
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,600
mention area 54

885
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:02,799
in new mexico people say oh she was just

886
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,679
it was just a misstatement i don't think

887
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,720
so

888
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,560
i have find it very very difficult to

889
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,200
believe that that she would call area 51

890
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,560
area 54 and get the states uh wrong i i

891
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,159
don't i don't recall i don't recall her

892
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:18,480
ever saying that though i i don't uh i

893
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,000
know she mis she misspoke on the um

894
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,320
the uap thing when she was on the kimmel

895
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,960
show where she misstated that which sort

896
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,000
of indicates we may think that she knows

897
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,560
a lot but she's basically stating this

898
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,359
is john podesta's uh issue that is

899
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,720
that's why i say it's john podesta it's

900
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,480
behind this whole thing and hillary's

901
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,720
never brought it up she she's interested

902
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,919
in in

903
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,280
spiritual stuff and ufo type stuff but

904
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,119
the idea that she was first lady i

905
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,879
mentioned the whole thing with the

906
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,280
second clinton document in the

907
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,079
rockefeller initiative stuff where she's

908
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,000
bringing the material to the president

909
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,920
where she's um

910
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,760
sort of the the the

911
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,520
post office everything going from

912
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,200
rockefeller to the science advisor and

913
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,800
everything from the science advisor back

914
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,079
to rockefeller is going through the

915
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,320
first lady's office and that's where i

916
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,240
say she's playing that role now whether

917
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,680
she knows what's going on but she's

918
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,200
playing the role of

919
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,880
informing the president

920
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,079
what's going on with the rockefeller

921
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,520
initiative and keeping it off the record

922
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,440
almost like you know the the second

923
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:21,200
server where you know everything is off

924
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,320
the record

925
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,800
so i'm not really sure hillary has that

926
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,680
much

927
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,920
inside knowledge as to what's going on

928
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,960
but i don't remember the statement

929
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,640
you're referring to

930
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,240
the thing i've been saying to chris when

931
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,359
he mentions area 54 new mexico

932
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,160
is maybe she just misspoke

933
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,920
and that's all of it because if you're

934
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on a campaign on a presidential campaign

935
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and you're working day and night

936
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,560
obviously the world is watching and the

937
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,480
political pundits are watching and the

938
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,359
opposition is watching

939
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,680
so the slightest nuance the slightest

940
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,599
word or suggestion

941
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,920
that may be a little bit off

942
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,560
should be attacked for it will be cited

943
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,480
or as you say you know maybe she only

944
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,079
has a passing knowledge

945
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and that her knowledge streams through

946
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podesta

947
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and therefore she

948
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may get things wrong because she's not a

949
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perfect person although i guess some of

950
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1075
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so anyway going back to this and all the

1076
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,319
assumptions the other possibility is

1077
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:40,720
that it's not just area 51 there is an

1078
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,319
area 54. and maybe she didn't misspeak

1079
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:46,000
yeah see i'm not really familiar with

1080
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,040
the story i'm just trying to look it up

1081
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,720
now but i'm not really familiar with

1082
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,400
that reference

1083
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,480
yeah it was early on i think it was uh

1084
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after

1085
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:56,880
new hampshire

1086
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,319
it's um it was i think after the first

1087
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,319
time that she was um

1088
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,319
that she was kind of sideswiped with

1089
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,119
with the ufo yeah the conway was the

1090
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,440
first people to ask the conway new

1091
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,520
hampshire reporter right it was after

1092
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,440
that i think it was her next statement

1093
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,880
and she

1094
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,800
she said something about area 54 in new

1095
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,839
mexico

1096
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,079
either that or it was some internet do

1097
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,760
you you'd have other things like like

1098
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,960
when you have bill clinton making

1099
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,000
statements and he made a bunch of

1100
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,839
statements that didn't make any sense

1101
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:27,359
either you know where he said for

1102
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,319
example

1103
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,760
the idea is always the president doesn't

1104
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,240
know what's going on and he says you

1105
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,680
know i didn't know what was going on and

1106
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,079
i i'm embarrassed to say i tried to find

1107
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,000
out what was going on and i got all the

1108
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,839
roswell files together and i reviewed

1109
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,280
them so i mean you can't have it both

1110
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,000
ways so he a lot of these statements or

1111
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,079
he says the roswell thing happened in my

1112
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,160
first administration this roswell thing

1113
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,800
but the roswell thing was uh there was

1114
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:52,079
actually two roswell things and he's

1115
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,760
referring to the 1997 roswell's 50th

1116
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,760
anniversary but the big roswell thing

1117
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,440
was the investigation by the us air

1118
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,520
force in his first term he he's making a

1119
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,520
lot of bad bad statements as well he's

1120
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,440
sort of dancing around things and trying

1121
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,839
not to mention things whereas hillary is

1122
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,359
very very if you listen to her

1123
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,440
statements she's very very authoritative

1124
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,440
she's she's not you know hemming and

1125
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,760
hawing she's very direct when she says

1126
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,079
what she's she's going to say and so i

1127
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:20,720
find that kind of encouraging compared

1128
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,520
to

1129
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,440
you know the way sort of like you know

1130
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,280
double speak that that most politicians

1131
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,200
use well let me just ask you here

1132
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,280
specifically because we assume here

1133
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,720
based on what you're saying that

1134
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,960
presidents must know so you're assuming

1135
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,480
here or you're telling us that when the

1136
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,400
president is sworn in

1137
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,319
at some point in time

1138
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,640
he's going to be read in or she is going

1139
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,359
to be read in to specific

1140
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,000
matters of national security even though

1141
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,000
they get a security briefing while

1142
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,599
they're running they get security access

1143
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,079
but here somebody with

1144
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,960
the briefcase attached to his arm by

1145
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,440
some kind of security device walks in

1146
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,520
there whatever illusion you want to make

1147
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,839
of it and they sit down to the president

1148
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,480
and they say mr president here are some

1149
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,560
things you need to know

1150
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,000
that we couldn't tell you until you took

1151
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,280
this position and that the ufo

1152
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,200
source or answer

1153
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,960
is among that is that correct is that

1154
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,079
what you think

1155
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,440
yep absolutely that you have a situation

1156
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,800
where i point out in the book the

1157
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,480
constitutional aspect

1158
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,200
that if the et thing is true if you have

1159
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,680
aliens you have a foreign power and the

1160
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,359
only person that can deal with a foreign

1161
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,359
power can negotiate or sign a treaty or

1162
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,440
do whatever is the head of state so

1163
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,760
constitutionally you have the president

1164
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,040
has to know because he's head of state

1165
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,440
if you're dealing with with aliens he's

1166
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
the civilian commander of the us

1167
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,119
military so

1168
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,960
if the military is not giving it to him

1169
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,560
who are they giving it to i mean he's

1170
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,119
the the top of that pyramid and he's the

1171
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,119
head of all the 17 or whatever

1172
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,280
intelligence agencies people will say oh

1173
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,880
the cia's got it and they're not telling

1174
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,160
the president and i say well if they're

1175
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,599
not telling the president who are they

1176
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,880
telling because all you've got to do is

1177
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,359
google search cia and mission statement

1178
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,880
you'll see they only have one job and

1179
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,720
that is to provide the best intelligence

1180
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,480
possible to the president of the united

1181
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,359
states and the the executive staff and

1182
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,119
the two heads of the intelligence

1183
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,480
committees for the house and senate

1184
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,920
that's their only job they're not there

1185
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,000
to run the air forces or deal with

1186
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,680
aliens or anything like that that that's

1187
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,640
their job it's just to provide

1188
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,920
intelligence so you have all these

1189
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,280
constitutional arguments that the

1190
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,599
president basically has to know and and

1191
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,680
i as i mentioned before the interview i

1192
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,200
mentioned this fact that paul hillier

1193
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:29,520
told this story uh this death ped

1194
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,720
confession where the head of emergency

1195
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,359
management in canada calls he wants

1196
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,760
someone to tell the story and he he

1197
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,680
suggests this can be paula hellyer paul

1198
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,920
hillier goes to this guy dying and the

1199
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,160
guy says basically i was brief i mean if

1200
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,720
you're briefing somebody in canada the

1201
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,560
head of emergency management when we're

1202
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,079
not briefing the president doesn't make

1203
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,720
any sense at all i mean we want the idea

1204
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,319
i think that's been put out is that the

1205
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,839
president isn't told all this kind of

1206
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,920
stuff you want plausible deniability

1207
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,000
because if you think the wizard of oz or

1208
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,240
some dark cabal is running the ufo

1209
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,560
cover-up you can't interview them but i

1210
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:06,079
know the president's phone number i know

1211
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,960
where the president lives everybody

1212
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,920
knows where the president lives and

1213
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,040
everybody knows how to get ahold of the

1214
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,200
president and if it becomes known that

1215
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,599
the president is briefed on this subject

1216
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:15,280
to me it's it's basically almost over

1217
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,319
because the

1218
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,760
the questions are going to start to come

1219
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,520
when were you briefed what were you told

1220
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,680
and that was the question i asked uh

1221
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,920
dick cheney who was the vice president

1222
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,400
is the briefing question and um the

1223
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,880
question was in any point in have you

1224
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,480
ever been briefed on the subject

1225
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,040
of ufos if so when was it and what were

1226
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,440
you told and cheney said exactly what i

1227
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,839
believe is is true if i had been briefed

1228
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,280
on that subject it would probably be

1229
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,800
classified and it wouldn't be talking

1230
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,960
about it so that's the basic

1231
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,359
thing is that it it's classified and the

1232
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,119
president has read in on this the

1233
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,680
president is uh the guy who's running

1234
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,520
the country as much as the conspiracy

1235
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,520
people want to make us think that david

1236
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,960
rockefeller and his buddies are running

1237
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,000
it all right well as far as

1238
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,119
dick cheney is concerned i think he just

1239
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,359
is giving an answer there that

1240
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,960
if i were notified it would be

1241
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,720
classified and that's a lot of

1242
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,720
assumptions that really don't say

1243
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,280
anything the other point is here look at

1244
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,760
the vice president the vice president

1245
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,240
has to be the president in waiting

1246
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,400
he or she has to be the person who if

1247
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,079
something happens to the president

1248
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,319
whether the president is incapacitated

1249
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:24,000
temporarily

1250
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,040
or

1251
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,680
is assassinated is dead is unable to

1252
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,720
perform the functions of the office

1253
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,880
the vice president has to be sworn in

1254
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,520
and will be sworn in so at this point is

1255
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,760
the vice president already acquainted

1256
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,079
with some of the stuff or would be

1257
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,200
withheld until that person takes office

1258
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,000
and what about cabinet secretaries what

1259
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,319
about the speaker of the house who's

1260
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,240
third in line in terms of succession

1261
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,240
he's third in line right speaker of the

1262
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,040
house chris i believe so yes you're

1263
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,720
right speaker of the house would be next

1264
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,520
in line okay well it's hard unless you

1265
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,440
actually are in the inside and you know

1266
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,200
who's who's being read in who's not

1267
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,359
being read in uh you take the atomic

1268
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,839
bomb the vice president didn't know uh

1269
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,680
but 12 days after he was sworn in as

1270
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,960
president they walked in and told him

1271
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,880
about it so it may be a situation like

1272
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,680
that vice president dan quayle talks

1273
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,680
about his briefing his intelligence

1274
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,960
briefing and he said the most

1275
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,319
interesting stuff in the whole briefing

1276
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,400
was the stuff they told you orally

1277
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,400
so we really don't know what that oral

1278
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,000
stuff is that they're that they're

1279
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,920
telling if i bring up this story about

1280
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,680
the nuclear football that there is two

1281
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,440
nuclear footballs moving around at all

1282
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,920
times that the president has this thing

1283
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,559
where he can declare war partial war or

1284
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,720
whatever and that one follows the vice

1285
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,160
president around because

1286
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,640
constitutionally we're afraid that there

1287
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,800
might be 30 seconds where the one

1288
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,480
president dies and the other guy doesn't

1289
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,800
have the authority to destroy the world

1290
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,240
you can see all these constitutional

1291
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,240
things that they're done very very

1292
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,800
carefully and i maintain we have this

1293
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,800
story with commie the see the fbi

1294
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,480
director right now

1295
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,119
where um he's being giving his testimony

1296
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,280
about hillary clinton and i tell a story

1297
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:05,040
about comedy in the book i talk about

1298
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,920
how

1299
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,440
people don't realize all black budget

1300
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,400
programs have to be approved by the

1301
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,160
attorney general to make sure that

1302
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,079
they're legal let's talk about connie

1303
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,800
for a moment before he became fbi

1304
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,359
director under obama in the bush

1305
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,119
administration he was like an assistant

1306
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,720
attorney general

1307
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,640
all right he's a republican by the way

1308
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,079
although right now he's not officially

1309
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,200
registered as one so he was appointed in

1310
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,319
2013 for a 10-year term

1311
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,079
as fbi director and the reason they do

1312
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,240
that supposedly is to keep the office as

1313
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,480
nonpartisan as possible of course when

1314
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,800
he basically

1315
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,240
came up with

1316
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,079
information that they will not pursue

1317
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,160
criminal charges against hillary clinton

1318
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,079
all the republicans who sang his praises

1319
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,640
said oh no no no this guy was paid off

1320
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:52,960
no he wasn't paid off but all right so

1321
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,559
what is the connection with mr comey

1322
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,880
is it kami or comey

1323
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,880
i call him comey yeah comey call me or

1324
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,559
call me it doesn't matter

1325
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,200
i i maintain that if

1326
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,880
you have high level people and and i'm a

1327
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,680
canadian so if you say to a canadian you

1328
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,280
know what about the constitution most

1329
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,800
canadians will say

1330
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,000
what do you mean what constitution

1331
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,000
nobody's read it nobody cares but in the

1332
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:17,359
united states everybody's very anal

1333
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,640
about the constitution about your first

1334
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,920
amendment right to free speech your

1335
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,760
second amendment right to bear arms

1336
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,599
fourth amendment ready you know right

1337
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,359
against search and seizure and everybody

1338
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,559
knows the constitution in the united

1339
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,319
states so what people are sort of

1340
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,160
assuming is that somebody's going to

1341
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,920
work their way up into the top levels of

1342
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:33,440
government and then they're suddenly not

1343
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,240
going to really care about the

1344
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:37,040
constitution and the the key thing is

1345
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,079
that

1346
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,319
if you get high-level people i say if

1347
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,880
this thing was illegal if suddenly uh

1348
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,559
high-level people in the cabinet

1349
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,079
suddenly realized that the president

1350
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,920
wasn't running the show that there was

1351
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
some

1352
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,880
evil cabal that was was running the

1353
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,400
thing there would be defections and

1354
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,160
there are no defections and i used the

1355
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,200
story of kami in the bush administration

1356
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,200
to show this that what happened during

1357
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,520
the bush administration is after 9 11

1358
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,280
bush gets this black budget program

1359
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,440
where he turns the satellites in on

1360
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,720
american

1361
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,880
telephone calls and on intelligence

1362
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,280
traffic or in an internet traffic to

1363
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,119
look for terrorists inside the united

1364
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,880
states and the attorney general at the

1365
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,440
time was with john ashcroft and ashcroft

1366
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,960
will not sign off he says this is

1367
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,119
illegal and i'm not signing off on this

1368
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,200
black budget program at the same time he

1369
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has this appendix attack ends up in a

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hospital in intensive care so bush sends

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his two top aides to the hospital to

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talk ashcroft into signing this order as

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being legal so that he can go ahead with

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this legal let's continue that story

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which we've heard before on the other

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side with durant cameron and gene and

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thank you for listening to gcn

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visit

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gcnlive.com today

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[Music]

1436
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,150
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1437
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standard of paranormal radio

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and now

1439
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,480
here's gene steinberg

1440
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,549
i looked up the pronunciation of james

1441
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,079
comey online

1442
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,480
and one site had both pronunciations

1443
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,240
comey and comey

1444
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,760
all right so whatever you want to call

1445
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,960
them it's okay

1446
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,640
let's go on with the story here so of

1447
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:37,200
course john ashcroft the attorney

1448
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,559
general of the u.s

1449
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,640
is in the hospital but they wanted to

1450
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,000
sign off something for the bush

1451
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,880
administration go on grant cameron okay

1452
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,599
so

1453
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,760
it was the the i think the

1454
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,599
chief of staff and some other guy walk

1455
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,240
in and he they say the president needs

1456
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,160
to sign off on this thing to make it

1457
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,240
legal and he just shakes his head and he

1458
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,240
said i'm no longer the attorney general

1459
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,720
and he points over to kami sitting in

1460
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,400
the corner and comey just shakes his

1461
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,079
head no he's not signing either so they

1462
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,839
go storming out of the room and they

1463
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,839
phone up call me and they say the

1464
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,440
president wants you in his office

1465
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,240
immediately and he says well i'm coming

1466
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,000
i'm going to get a lawyer and they said

1467
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,680
are you refusing to talk to see the

1468
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,880
president he said no i'm not refusing to

1469
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,480
come to the president but i'm getting a

1470
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,640
lawyer for a witness so he goes to the

1471
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,960
justice department he gets a lawyer to

1472
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,480
be his witness he appears at the white

1473
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,480
house and he refuses to sign off on this

1474
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:29,040
on this black budget program as well

1475
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,000
and

1476
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,319
what happens is ashcroft resigns comey

1477
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,400
resigns the head of the fbi resigns and

1478
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,319
there are like 12 people from justice

1479
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,640
who all hand in their resignation and

1480
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:40,160
say this is illegal we don't care if the

1481
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,119
president is doing this we're not

1482
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,000
signing off on this and so i say that if

1483
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,599
people in 70 years of this ufo story if

1484
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:50,079
suddenly people realized that stuff was

1485
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,119
being done that was illegal and

1486
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,280
unconstitutional someone would walk and

1487
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,040
nobody has walked which indicates to me

1488
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,200
that that the people up there believe

1489
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,640
they may be totally deluded but they

1490
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,160
believe that what they're doing is legal

1491
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,079
and constitutional now another thing to

1492
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:03,440
point out here you were mentioning

1493
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,559
before

1494
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,240
about the release of a lot of

1495
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,640
information publicly and we know over

1496
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,079
the years have been

1497
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,559
freedom of information act releases

1498
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,319
and we can get into the nuances of that

1499
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:16,160
in a moment so the clinton

1500
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,680
administration is releasing all this

1501
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:19,760
stuff but if you look at the material

1502
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,880
posted say at the black fault from john

1503
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,040
greenwald jr a lot of interesting

1504
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,680
material but no smoking guns are there

1505
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,240
has that been massaged away or they

1506
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,240
don't keep those records

1507
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,799
well that comes to the the whole issue

1508
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,559
of where the records go i mean i i talk

1509
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,480
about the thousand pages of documents i

1510
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,880
got from the clinton administration on

1511
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,079
the rockefeller initiative those

1512
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:44,079
documents are all gone we cannot recover

1513
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,520
those documents the clinton library says

1514
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:47,040
they don't happen the national archives

1515
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,559
says they don't have them so this

1516
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,960
material all sort of disappears or you

1517
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,520
have the situation where

1518
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,160
uh john podesta helps hillary clinton

1519
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,359
no wisdom hillary clinton was it was

1520
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,319
less than kane file an foia for the

1521
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,000
ketchup stuff

1522
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,480
and they don't get anything so this this

1523
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,960
stuff is it's just sort of is moved out

1524
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,119
it's it's not going to be held in

1525
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:11,359
all the rockefeller initiative stuff was

1526
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,559
probably stolen by stephen greer

1527
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,160
well i saw stephen grier's stuff which

1528
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,200
is an important factor is when i went at

1529
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,359
the clinton library

1530
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,119
i saw all the material that's the vast

1531
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,960
majority of the uf big ufo file there

1532
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,880
there's a bunch of them but ufo file was

1533
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,880
stephen greer stuff that he had sent for

1534
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:30,960
this what he calls the briefing and on

1535
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,440
the very top of the first page it said

1536
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,680
president did not read and that's where

1537
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,599
this plausible deniability thing comes

1538
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,920
in is that the president stephen grier

1539
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,680
will maintain that the president was

1540
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,040
given this stuff and he was given a

1541
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,280
briefing and it said right on there did

1542
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,960
not read and that's to

1543
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,119
as ron pendolf of the ci guy says the

1544
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:51,040
president can't be a player if he's the

1545
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,400
guy running the cover-up you have to

1546
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:54,960
make it look like he's not involved who

1547
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,440
sides with stephen greer if i got stuff

1548
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,440
from him i wouldn't read either chris

1549
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,200
and i are not super impressed with

1550
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,040
stephen grier although steve mcgregor is

1551
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,359
certainly impressed with stephen greer

1552
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,520
he appropriated

1553
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,680
you know the the uh the best available

1554
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,440
evidence document that was written uh

1555
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,079
co-written by don blinner and antonio

1556
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,799
junius who uh when he was on the show

1557
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,559
described his um

1558
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,720
irritation that greer

1559
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,040
literally took it put his name on it and

1560
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,520
started touting it as his his own uh

1561
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,720
creation

1562
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:29,040
of course that you know just put more of

1563
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,920
a

1564
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,640
wobble in the uh the process so i'm not

1565
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,079
surprised that it really didn't go

1566
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,240
anywhere when i spoke with lawrence

1567
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,799
rockefeller about about the the best

1568
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:40,880
available evidence document and

1569
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,400
he was uh he was pretty miffed about how

1570
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,799
uh he felt that the whole thing had had

1571
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,520
sort of spun out of control and had uh

1572
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,160
and that greer had taken it and started

1573
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,240
you know being a grandstander with it

1574
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,160
and uh and lawrence was not happy about

1575
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,839
that and he also did mention that he

1576
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,440
felt that there was

1577
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,000
uh smoking gun evidence at some level in

1578
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,599
in the government but it was so

1579
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,920
compartmentalized that um it it didn't

1580
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,760
matter who who you were you could be a

1581
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,000
billionaire like him and and have a

1582
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,680
snowball's chance of hell of getting

1583
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,440
gaining access to it

1584
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,760
at the time that i i met him and spoke

1585
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,480
with him which would have been uh in 98.

1586
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,520
he was

1587
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,839
almost bitter about it he felt that it

1588
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,880
was uh

1589
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,760
of historic absolutely imperative

1590
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,359
importance and

1591
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,680
and the fact that uh he even he was

1592
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,839
unable to to really move the ball

1593
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,240
forward was uh was very frustrating for

1594
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,640
him yeah and i've talked to scott jones

1595
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:38,160
who was with him when they did the

1596
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:39,119
initial

1597
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,480
whatever you want to call it briefing

1598
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:43,040
with the science advisor and scott jones

1599
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,799
is very bitter as well he considers this

1600
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,960
to been a total waste of time and i've

1601
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,799
talked to him recently and so they both

1602
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:50,160
have the same opinion

1603
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:50,960
yeah

1604
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,839
he he'd almost had you know he he was

1605
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,200
already

1606
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,440
beyond it it left such a bad taste in

1607
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,040
his mouth that he didn't he didn't want

1608
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,599
to waste any more time or or resources

1609
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,240
or energy on it and a lot of that i

1610
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:07,680
think could land right in the lap of

1611
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,040
stephen greyer he was not uh happy with

1612
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,200
uh with greer and some of the other

1613
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,640
folks that he had been dealing with in

1614
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,280
the ufo community uh who shall remain

1615
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,480
nameless

1616
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,640
uh at this point but uh

1617
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:22,240
you know it it just goes to show it

1618
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,520
doesn't matter how much power and

1619
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,680
influence you have if you're not one of

1620
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,280
the insiders

1621
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,720
you know if you're like lawrence and

1622
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:30,559
being on the on the inside but being on

1623
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,520
the outside of the inside uh track

1624
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,000
of real players um it doesn't matter how

1625
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,520
much influence you have

1626
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,839
uh once that that brick wall goes up

1627
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,880
you're

1628
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,400
you know it's going to take a tactical

1629
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,480
nuke to bring it down

1630
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,839
i want to go back a little bit to

1631
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,599
freedom of information just because of

1632
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,480
the changes in the u.s law we go into

1633
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,160
other stuff and also

1634
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,680
move to the end of

1635
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:56,400
bill and go into hillary's situation all

1636
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right

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there was a new

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act a new

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foia act that was signed by president

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obama

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a couple of three weeks ago

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01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,000
and there are a couple of different

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01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,839
things in it but the most important

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01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:11,440
thing is

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01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,720
that anytime a document or information

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01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,359
is requested three or more times

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01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,960
don't know if you heard this

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01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,040
it will be posted online usually in

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electronic format like pdf that's number

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one

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it also provides for some form of

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mediation

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so that if there's a dispute over

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any of this i guess they'll have

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somebody a bureaucrat or someone

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01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,799
sit with both parties and try to figure

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01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,720
out what's going on now that doesn't

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01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:40,319
mean anything's going to change because

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the other problem is with this law is

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they don't increase the budget

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for foia

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and there's been the charge in recent

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years that obama has been less than

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forthcoming

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01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,559
in making this program work

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01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,480
and it's multiple questions we can go

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into in the next segment or two before

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we get to more of the clintons and that

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01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,119
is

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01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:00,720
do you think

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that obama deliberately slowed down the

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01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,160
processing of these requests or is it a

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budgetary thing it's not given a high

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01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,680
priority

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01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,599
they've cut back on government budgets

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01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,200
they don't have enough bureaucrats to do

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01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,160
the work so therefore they do the work

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more slowly or less efficiently or do

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01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:20,880
you think there was some kind of program

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uh based on my experience i've run up

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01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:30,079
against this thing where

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i think it was the reagans talked about

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the reagan library talked about 100

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years to process all the material that

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they've got because it's a very time

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consuming process to declassify

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01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,559
documents and to go through this kind of

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stuff so yes they are

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restricting the number of people that

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are that are working

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but when it comes to this kind of uh sci

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this top is sort of unacknowledged

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special access stuff it doesn't matter

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it's never going to get close to uh

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freedom information that you're going to

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be able to access material because it's

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just need to know that you're never it's

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like if three people uh ask for the um

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the secret for the atomic bomb it

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doesn't matter you know

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how how much

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you post it they're not going to release

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that kind of material it's it comes down

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to need to know it's always going to be

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that

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if you don't need to know about it

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as you know bush told carter

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curiosity is not sufficient need to know

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we have grant cameron the book is the

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clinton ufo storybook

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et politics

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in the white house

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and now with hillary expressing at least

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the desire

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to get more information about ufos get

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to the bottom of the mystery and of

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course she did have the national

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security dodge at least one of her

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statements maybe that might change

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out month to month years

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five years lifetime grant cameron wrote

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a book called

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the clinton ufo storybook

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now let's do some history here after he

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left office

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did clinton make any statements bill

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clinton about ufos oh he's made a number

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01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,040
of statements about ufos um he made one

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in hong kong 2005.

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and this was one that

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we managed to get the tape we've never

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01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,159
seen the tape of the actual presentation

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but the question answer part the guy

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who's running the

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uh it's a chinese bank

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says well because i'm the guy who's

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running the thing i can ask this

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question and he asks the standard

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question that obama's taken lots of

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times is this book a secret thing does

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what is there a book of you know secrets

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goes from one president to another like

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where's jimmy hoffa buried and are there

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ufos and stuff and bill goes into a

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speech there and talks about how you

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know he tried to get the material and he

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wasn't able to get this material

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but when you look at that the denial

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that he wasn't you know in charge of the

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thing ben hansen who

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worked with the show fact versus faked

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who did fbi stuff and analysis of

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people's reactions whatever determined

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from his analysis of the the tape that

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bill clinton was being evasive that he

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he may not have been telling the truth

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on that so he talked about it there

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there was a radio show there's a couple

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of radio shows but he basically says the

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same thing you know i was very

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interested in the subject i tried to get

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to the bottom of it i wasn't able to get

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it i'm embarrassed to say i wasn't able

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to get the stuff he's answered a number

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number of questions and basically

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handles it the same way all the time and

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talks about the fact that he's

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interested in extraterrestrial life but

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he won't admit that it comes here and

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that's where hillary made a big move

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where hillary's the first high level

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official i know where she actually said

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they may already be here which was like

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completely different than any other

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official who might say yes i believe

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there's life in outer space but no i

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don't believe extraterrestrials have

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ever visited here well that's fairly

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common now as we discover more and more

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possible

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extra solar planets yeah but it's it's

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different to say

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they may actually be here i mean that's

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like completely different where you're

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saying this this may actually be true

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where she does the interview with this

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breakfast club in new york city where

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this guy who's an experiencer who claims

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she's been abducted twice and is telling

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her and she says you know i i believe

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these people are probably telling the

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truth they're not sitting in their

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kitchen making up stories

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so it comes down to

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the difference between believing there's

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extraterrestrial life out there and

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actually believing the story that yes

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there may actually be aliens walking

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around among us but we're assuming again

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that the government the u.s government

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knows for sure

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that israel is here there are people in

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the u.s government that know it's not

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that the u.s government knows let me

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give you an example because this is the

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01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,560
next article i'm written i got

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sidetracked after i the hillary book

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came out paul hellyer tells his story

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about the the guy from emergency

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measures and as soon as he said that i

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had written two articles in 2009 one was

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on the kecksberg crash and the

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involvement of the johnson

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administration and one was on the new

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york city

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blackout and the johnson administration

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and in both cases the organization that

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was handling uh material on this was

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known as the special facilities division

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and it's inside

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mount weather which is the bunker where

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01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,920
they take the president and if you look

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01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,159
at the the project blue book everything

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01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,640
points to this that this guy the the

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01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,040
head of what would now be fema which was

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then the uh preparedness area then it's

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01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,239
that was known as fema then but the head

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01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,320
guy if there's going to be a disclosure

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or if there's going to be

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some sort of invasion thing

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01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,040
you're going to have to have number one

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01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,880
communications you're gonna have to have

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a place where you can communicate with

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all the military with all the cities

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with all the you know your nuclear

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01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,239
detectors all this kind of stuff and

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01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:01,280
that is in the fema facility in mount

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01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,400
weather where they where they take the

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01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,040
president if there's a nuclear attack

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01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,199
so when paul hillier states that the

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01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,360
canadian equivalent of the fema director

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01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,120
was briefed on this subject it makes

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01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,040
total sense because if you look at and i

1964
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,360
gave this to leslie kane when she filed

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01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,840
the foa with with nasa and this is the

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01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,239
one that john podesta helped her file

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01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,800
they go to nasa for these files i sent

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01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,120
her this material that the blue book

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01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,880
files on the night of the kecksburg

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01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,360
crash actually identify this office now

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01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,440
what they do is they identify it by the

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01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,320
code word this uh this

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01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,320
special facilities division would not

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01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:38,719
become known until 1974 when a jetliner

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01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,199
crashed into the mountain in 1964 nobody

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01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,360
even knew this this organization existed

1977
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,360
it was in the blue book file if you look

1978
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:47,360
on the kecksburg crash night it talks

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01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,239
about a guy by name burasa said we're

1980
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,400
getting messages that there's material

1981
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,159
that has been recovered in michigan

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01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,159
hardware material in michigan

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01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,800
the code name they used was bluegrass

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01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,480
and when i've looked at bluegrass and

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01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,480
you can look at now it pops up on any

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01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,320
google search you look at it it's the

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01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,239
mount the mount weather

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01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,679
fema facility

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and

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when i i got that then i i realized that

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this is the the one guy that would have

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01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:15,199
to be briefed and you start looking at

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01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,560
all the evidence it's it's in the

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01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,880
kecksburg file it's in the new york city

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01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,640
with where they they actually goes on

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01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:23,040
alert where all the the nuclear

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01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,480
detectors around the different cities in

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01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,000
the united states are going yellow two

1999
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,400
of them go red then bill moore nails

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01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,719
this thing bill moore actually names the

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01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,199
same facility as i came independently

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01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,199
the special facilities division and he

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01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,600
says the mj-12 look at his flowcharts he

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01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,600
has this special facilities division

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01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,159
inside the fema at mount weather as

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01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,320
being the key organization that's

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01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,920
running this thing and it makes sense

2008
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,000
that the fema guy would have to be

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01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,840
briefed and then you take a look at bill

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01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:51,120
clinton bill clinton says there's a

2011
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,320
government inside the government he's

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01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:54,480
talking to sarah mcclendon he said sarah

2013
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,520
there's a government inside the

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01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,760
government and i don't control it this

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01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:59,440
is the part of the government that's not

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01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:00,560
controlled there's this second

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01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,840
government it's the government in

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01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:03,679
waiting this shadow government was

2019
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,640
called by by cnn and then you take john

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01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,040
alexander john alexander comes public

2021
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,640
and he says

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01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:12,560
i was told somebody whispered in my ear

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01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:15,679
that mj 12 was for real and he said and

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01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:17,199
i was told that the names on the

2025
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document were correct so i went after

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01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,920
john and i tried to get out of him i

2027
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:24,719
asked him at ufo congress and publicly

2028
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,239
who was the person that whispered in his

2029
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:28,320
ear he walked around the question so

2030
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:29,199
when

2031
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,480
john podesta saying no this is not ufos

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this is continuity of government he's

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talking about the same facility he

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believes it's not ufos just continuity

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of government because he talked to the

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guy who was the assistant director i

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went to his book i immediately knew who

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he was talking about because he's

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talking about continuity of government

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this is where this is this is this fema

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facility and he's saying he believes

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it's continuity of government so he's

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naming the same organization and then

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you have one of stephen greer's witness

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is stephen lovkin i interviewed him i've

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never really made the interview public

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but he claimed that he was at mount

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weather and that mount weather was they

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were tracking ufo material at mount

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weather this is where the center was and

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i interviewed him and i said where did

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you learn this from who told you this

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are you sure and he said yes mount

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weather is where this this is so you

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have all these different arrows all

2056
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pointing at the same facility the same

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organization inside the facility at

2058
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mount weather so you look at that and

2059
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then you say yes this is possibly true

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that the fema guy is one of the guys

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that has a need to know

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we're going to expand on this and i've

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got a few questions which are going to

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be one among many and chris will have

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questions too on the other side with

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grant you're dropping so many factoids

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we even go on here paul hellyer

2173
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,239
now he's made a few statements that are

2174
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:43,199
kind of off the rails yep and some

2175
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:44,480
people really don't take him as

2176
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:45,679
seriously

2177
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,920
as they might otherwise although you

2178
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,920
take him seriously and he's a fellow

2179
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,440
countryman of yours

2180
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:53,280
other people do not and maybe they

2181
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:54,880
suggest he's getting on in years or

2182
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,760
whatever but maybe he had this

2183
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,520
government connection with the jobs he

2184
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,199
held when he was young he doesn't have

2185
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:02,880
those jobs anymore

2186
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,840
so he could be commenting on stuff that

2187
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:07,440
is no more

2188
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,040
significant or no more evidentiary than

2189
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:12,639
anybody else

2190
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,920
that's one thing but you've got you've

2191
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,600
got to distinguish between

2192
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:17,920
what he believes and what he was told in

2193
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:20,639
a deathbed confession he did not ask for

2194
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:21,600
this

2195
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,920
called and that he wanted to tell the

2196
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,880
story he wanted to get this off his

2197
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,960
chest before he died so paul hellyer

2198
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:30,800
said a lot of stuff i disagree with he's

2199
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,239
just repeating what other people are

2200
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,560
saying that's different than deathbed

2201
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,960
testimony that's different than material

2202
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,040
that he heard firsthand like he talks to

2203
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:41,040
this two-star general i believe that

2204
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,719
where the general tells him this is real

2205
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,400
and more i know paul heller i've known

2206
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,320
him since the 1970s before he ever got

2207
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,159
into ufo stuff so you have to

2208
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,960
distinguish between like you and i may

2209
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,960
suddenly find out in a week that

2210
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,560
something that we believed was wrong but

2211
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,560
that doesn't make us liar so you've got

2212
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:58,239
to distinguish between what he believes

2213
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,520
and what he's repeating from other

2214
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,679
people and deathbed testimony this is

2215
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,840
extremely important material especially

2216
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,679
when it immediately validates as soon as

2217
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,320
i heard this i immediately knew i had

2218
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,400
written two articles which nobody paid

2219
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,960
any attention to that basically

2220
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,120
identify the american equivalent as

2221
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,960
being the head of the where this thing

2222
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,880
is being run from so to me it it

2223
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,199
validates the research that i've done

2224
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,440
well how difficult is it to

2225
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:25,520
do an foia request

2226
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:28,320
to fema or any sort of continuation of

2227
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:29,280
government

2228
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:32,080
bureaucratic structures let's say

2229
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,960
i would think it would be a little

2230
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:35,120
difficult i got some of the material

2231
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,920
from

2232
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,600
the national archives i got national

2233
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,360
archives i got from this special

2234
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,520
facilities division back 10 years ago

2235
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:43,920
when i found out about it i pulled a lot

2236
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:45,440
of material and

2237
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:47,679
what i learned was some of the stuff is

2238
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,159
kind of interesting as i said the the

2239
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,480
guy that was running this facility

2240
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:55,120
in 1964 during the kecksburg crash is

2241
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,960
referring to these calls that are coming

2242
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,280
in to what's called the flashboard and

2243
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:01,840
the flashboard is this huge elaborate

2244
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:04,800
system of communications to embassies

2245
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,120
and cities and military

2246
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,719
organizations stuff like that and this

2247
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:10,239
is the same thing that oliver north was

2248
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:11,120
using

2249
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,159
when he was running the iran contra

2250
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,880
where he was able to bypass the official

2251
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,440
communication system well i was just

2252
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,120
wondering how difficult it is to

2253
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,520
penetrate oh yeah it's all deep soccer

2254
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,960
everything there is top secret you need

2255
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,880
a top secret clearance even to be in the

2256
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,440
place so it's very high level it's like

2257
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:31,760
anything else in in foia that you're

2258
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,639
going to get the basic material like you

2259
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:36,159
know one percent of all the documents

2260
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,360
and it just depends on what level

2261
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,120
they're classified at anything that's

2262
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,840
classified you know top secret and above

2263
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:43,360
you're not going to get you're going to

2264
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,440
get maybe it's like the ufo stuff you're

2265
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,199
going to get the sighting reports you're

2266
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:49,040
going to get you know very low level

2267
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,639
material but the

2268
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,199
unacknowledged special access documents

2269
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,440
nobody's ever going to see well you know

2270
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,320
again that is a point that should be

2271
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:01,520
remembered by all these advocates

2272
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,639
for disclosure to me it's it's an

2273
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:06,480
impossibility that this country will

2274
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:10,000
ever fully disclose the extent and depth

2275
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,440
of its knowledge

2276
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,679
uh concerning these subjects because

2277
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:15,840
quite frankly it is

2278
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,719
probably classified above top secret and

2279
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:20,480
we don't really have a need to know

2280
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,639
until they land on the white house lawn

2281
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,320
yeah so that's why i always insisted

2282
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:26,960
like there's three reporters last month

2283
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,679
uh i guess they know may middle of may

2284
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,199
when the new york times ran the story

2285
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:33,360
about hillary talking about ufos the new

2286
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,639
york times runs the story and the thing

2287
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:36,960
goes viral and within a week three

2288
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,440
reporters in the white house press room

2289
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:41,040
suddenly started asking very serious

2290
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,080
questions

2291
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:44,239
so i contacted two of those reporters

2292
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:47,199
sent the messages and basically said

2293
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,639
that they should ask the president if

2294
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,159
they get the chance

2295
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,920
ask him have you been briefed and if the

2296
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,239
president stumbles or admits that he's

2297
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
been briefed then you have a chance

2298
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,920
because that is the one guy people can

2299
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:59,199
say okay i don't believe this guy's red

2300
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,639
and i don't believe i can believe

2301
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,159
anybody is not read in except for the

2302
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:04,000
president and if the president stands up

2303
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,520
and says i haven't been read in on this

2304
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,960
program i don't know what's going on

2305
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:08,560
then i'll believe it but nobody's asked

2306
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,920
them the question and i've been

2307
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:12,000
impressed upon these three reporters to

2308
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,360
ask the question because what's happened

2309
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:15,760
now is the whole attitude has changed in

2310
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,560
the big reporters is that it used to be

2311
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:20,400
the little green men laugh laugh laugh

2312
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,679
when the new york times did this

2313
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,159
straight piece you had uh

2314
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,320
this mark knoller asked the question and

2315
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:28,159
he was very serious he said the people

2316
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,760
are interested in this subject is barack

2317
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,520
obama going to beat hillary to the punch

2318
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,840
and disclose and the only way they got

2319
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,600
away with this was the press secretary

2320
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,679
said i don't have a tab in my briefing

2321
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,760
book for that i don't have a need to

2322
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:42,159
know and then he actually rats out the

2323
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,520
president he said but president obama

2324
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,000
has jokingly said that his

2325
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,400
his job gives him access to this type of

2326
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,120
material you should ask him

2327
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,600
it'll be interesting and i went wow he

2328
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,440
was actually saying ask the president

2329
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,360
and that's what i have insisted we have

2330
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:01,920
to do is he's the only guy that i

2331
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,239
maintain is definitely got to be briefed

2332
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,760
on this thing and if he stumbles and

2333
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:07,360
says he's been briefed then all the

2334
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,040
reporters are going to

2335
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,560
realize that they've been ahead and that

2336
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:12,080
there's a story and the white house

2337
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,760
reporters have already realized that

2338
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,199
they've been had and there's possibly a

2339
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,600
story here because the second reporter

2340
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,679
asks a question again and she's asking a

2341
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:21,440
serious question is this for real are

2342
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,639
there extraterrestrials and then the

2343
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,239
third one was this african-american

2344
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,040
reporter who says to him about roswell

2345
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,880
what's the deal with roswell is this

2346
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:31,840
classified and he goes and ernest who is

2347
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,639
the white house press secretary goes to

2348
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,080
get a drink of water and he starts to

2349
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,400
drink this uh water as she's asking this

2350
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,400
question and that's when she says look

2351
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:42,000
at that you're doing the dance you're

2352
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:43,199
doing the dance at the podium you're

2353
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:44,239
trying to figure out what you're gonna

2354
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:45,120
say

2355
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,880
haven't been briefed i don't have access

2356
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,639
and she says i couldn't believe she says

2357
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,719
you're not going to get away with this

2358
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,120
and he said you just keep trying and so

2359
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:57,120
the attitude had changed it was like we

2360
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,719
believe there's a story we believe

2361
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,639
something's being covered up and so to

2362
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:02,400
me i thought it was going to be a matter

2363
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,040
of time to ask obama but then obama was

2364
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,199
in japan at the time and he didn't come

2365
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,880
back right away and then it seems like

2366
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:11,040
the reporters at the white house press

2367
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,719
room have all gone back to sleep again

2368
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,080
but there's three of them there who

2369
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,639
asked very serious questions indicating

2370
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,159
that this looks like it's for real and

2371
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:20,080
what is the true story on on what's

2372
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,360
going on

2373
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,719
well i don't think he's going to say

2374
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:25,040
anything i know that steven bassett has

2375
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,960
said that but stephen bassett has made a

2376
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,719
number of predictions

2377
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,120
about alleged disclosure over the years

2378
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:33,600
not a single one

2379
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,920
has ever come to pass so is it the boy

2380
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:37,520
who cries wolf

2381
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,440
well he he's going to say something if

2382
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:41,120
the president has asked the question

2383
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,880
because obama if you take a look at all

2384
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,560
the obama statements which i have in the

2385
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,760
book obama has never denied the thing he

2386
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:50,000
has never ever bill clinton does the

2387
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,600
straight no no i tried to look i

2388
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,840
couldn't find anything uh as far as i

2389
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,679
know there's no roswell crash there's no

2390
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:57,679
extraterrestrials he'll do the complete

2391
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:00,639
denial obama has never denied it in fact

2392
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:03,120
in march of 2012

2393
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:05,040
he's in roswell new mexico he's

2394
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:08,800
campaigning 2012 election and he says

2395
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:10,000
we'll keep our he's talking about

2396
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:11,520
roswell and he said we'll keep our

2397
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:14,080
secrets here that's hardly a denial and

2398
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,960
he also says when he's asked is bill

2399
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,880
clinton was asked on the kimmel show and

2400
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,639
as i mentioned ben hansen had done this

2401
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,639
review and indicated that bill was

2402
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:23,679
probably

2403
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,480
being deceptive so when barack obama

2404
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:28,159
goes on the kimmel show

2405
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,760
kimmel says you realize they're going to

2406
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,600
be watching what you're going to do what

2407
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:33,280
you how many times you swallow and stuff

2408
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,880
like that and he's referring to this

2409
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:36,480
analysis that had been done of bill

2410
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:38,239
clinton answering the ufo questions and

2411
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,880
brock says yes i know this so he's asked

2412
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,239
the question

2413
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,320
bill denied it bill said he didn't know

2414
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,480
what was going on when he when he

2415
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:48,719
became president so when you became

2416
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:50,639
president what did you do what did you

2417
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:53,040
find out and ben hansen does the review

2418
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:55,600
on high def tv and he indicates that

2419
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,320
barack obama is breathing at 42 times a

2420
01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:00,239
minute when this question is being asked

2421
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:01,760
and barack says

2422
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,920
i cannot i i i can't reveal anything so

2423
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:07,920
he's not denying anything when he's

2424
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,199
talking to uh will smith's son

2425
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:13,520
uh with will smith the actor and his son

2426
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,760
jaden get the interview the the tour of

2427
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,280
the white house he's in the situation

2428
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:19,199
room and he picks up the fact that jaden

2429
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,560
wants to ask and he says you want to ask

2430
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:22,320
about the aliens don't you and he says i

2431
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,000
can neither confirm nor deny that

2432
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,159
extraterrestrials exist but if there had

2433
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:28,080
been a meeting and if the if there if

2434
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,360
they had and if there had been a top

2435
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,880
secret meeting on the subject it would

2436
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:33,040
have taken place in this very room i get

2437
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,639
the impression he's just

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you get my point here you know we're

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looking at statements here and assuming

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they're serious and i haven't heard them

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are they available on youtube that we

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could download them the point being here

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is that he may have said that

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just to have fun with the kid oh the

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kid's asking me a question i'll give him

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an answer without giving him an answer

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okay but he knows it's going to get out

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that's the point he knows for example

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you take the two presidents who were

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really big into this gerald ford was one

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who said not only should we look into

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this we should put people under oath and

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we should force them to testify and tell

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us what's going on when he was the

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representative in michigan jimmy carter

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said if i become president i'm going to

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release everything except for national

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security type stuff neither of those

2578
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:02,239
guys ever used the word ufo as they were

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present never use the word this is

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completely different where the

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president's actually

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talking about it because if he knows

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that this is going to get out sooner or

2584
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later some book reporter and this is

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what's starting as i said the attitude

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has changed in the white house press

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room where some reporters going to

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actually say mr president what's the

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deal is this for real you're talking

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about this is this for real and then you

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have this situation where if he stumbles

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and he says the wrong thing he's under

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pressure the whole thing is people will

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always say this idea that there's this

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disinformation thing that they're just

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trying to throw people off i said if you

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want to keep the ufo subject classified

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and nobody knows what's going on you do

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01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:38,960
what the canadians did the canadians in

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1967 declassified all the sighting files

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and they have never made a statement

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since they have never said anything

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people ask me because i'm a canadian to

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say well what's the canadian government

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01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:51,040
what's going on i say i have no idea in

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the canadian government who's been

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01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,480
briefed i know no idea as to what's

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going on because they've never talked

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about it if you want this thing to say

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secret you shut your mouth you don't say

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anything you don't keep talking about it

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and talking about it and talking about

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it because sooner or later it backfires

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on you and someone says mr president

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what's the deal you told this little kid

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01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,040
barack obama gives an interview to gq

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magazine and one of the white house

2618
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,960
reporters brings it up but because the

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president isn't there

2620
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:18,800
the press secretary walks around it he

2621
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said in the gq interview president obama

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said he was asked about the ufo stuff

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01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,280
and he said you know that top secret

2624
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,119
stuff it isn't as interesting as you

2625
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:31,280
think it is so the question was coming

2626
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:32,719
back they were bringing up something

2627
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,960
barack obama said about ufos and saying

2628
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,639
what's he really mean by this what does

2629
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,000
he actually say when he says the top

2630
01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:40,159
secret ufo stuff isn't it as interesting

2631
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,679
as you think it is because the official

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statement is the government there's

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nothing going on there are no documents

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it's all been declassified and there are

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no et's coming here so if the president

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makes this statement

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in a situation where someone is going to

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a serious reporter from the washington

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post new york times is going to start

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digging or they're going to put six

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reporters and realize that the president

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there's something story here they're

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going to put six reporters on it for two

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01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:02,320
years and start asking their high level

2645
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sources and it's going to unravel if you

2646
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,239
want to keep it secret shut up well you

2647
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:08,320
see there's also something here too

2648
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:11,840
newspapers today do not have the budgets

2649
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,400
they used to have for investigative

2650
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reporting so when they do there are only

2651
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so many stories they can cover and right

2652
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,239
now we're in the middle of a

2653
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presidential campaign so they have to

2654
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,159
chase the fact-checking

2655
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,679
with regard to

2656
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:27,520
secretary clinton the fact-checking with

2657
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,239
regard to donald trump which is like a

2658
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,480
full-time job for 100 people to keep up

2659
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:35,040
with his lies so the thing is here they

2660
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don't have the resources to do what you

2661
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,880
would hope they would do and i think

2662
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,560
also in listening to you i think you're

2663
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,400
doing a little reaching i think you're

2664
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,320
reaching hard to find something

2665
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:46,320
significant in what they say

2666
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,239
at the end of the day it doesn't matter

2667
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,080
because nothing's going to come out no

2668
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:51,920
matter what you do you can stand on your

2669
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,159
head if you're able to do that you know

2670
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:56,159
i used to be able to kind of do that

2671
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,320
kind of exercise you can stand on your

2672
01:39:02,310 --> 01:39:00,560
head you could scream you could yell you

2673
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can send them on petitions of a million

2674
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:05,040
people and there will be no information

2675
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,280
if they have any guilty knowledge that

2676
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,960
ufos are real that they're

2677
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,560
extraterrestrial

2678
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,560
they would have to be the press

2679
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:14,560
of a significant event before they'll

2680
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:16,639
disclose because we're talking about

2681
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,600
here

2682
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:20,000
possibly a secret that has lasted since

2683
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,920
the end of world war ii

2684
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,000
and you need to know also

2685
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:27,119
grant that chris and i don't 100 percent

2686
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,080
say that roswell was a spaceship there

2687
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:31,840
are questions about that there are

2688
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:34,719
alternative theories even someone like

2689
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,119
kevin randle one of the more respected

2690
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:40,400
roswell researchers has backtracked on

2691
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,920
some of the stories there although he

2692
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,600
still believes it involved the crash of

2693
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:45,360
a spaceship do you get where i'm coming

2694
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,800
from yeah but you're making an

2695
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,239
assumption all you have to do is take

2696
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,719
john podesta john podesta says

2697
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,480
there are classified documents that can

2698
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,480
be declassified now unless i don't

2699
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:55,679
understand the english language very

2700
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:57,520
well that's pretty clear to say there

2701
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,600
are classified ufo documents that are

2702
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,360
being withheld that something is

2703
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,360
classified doesn't say what's in it it's

2704
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:06,000
like this stupid hearing we have

2705
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:12,390
we have the very foolish hearing

2706
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:15,199
with the head of the fbi james comey or

2707
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,360
comey whatever you want to call him

2708
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:19,760
where they're asking him well

2709
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,679
she had these top secret documents this

2710
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,280
time the other thing they never

2711
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,520
specifically even hint

2712
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:28,000
at what sort of information they contain

2713
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,440
without saying what they are is this

2714
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:31,360
something that threatens national

2715
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,880
security is it something the enemy

2716
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:34,400
should know they don't talk about

2717
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:36,239
because they're afraid to because a lot

2718
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,119
of documents are classified top secret

2719
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:41,040
that really shouldn't be they could be

2720
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,880
public newspaper articles but because

2721
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:44,560
they concern a matter

2722
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,320
that could involve security they're

2723
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,159
classified even though it's public if

2724
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,800
you get my point in terms of this

2725
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,800
a document could be classified not

2726
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,040
because it proves that e.t is here and

2727
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,040
they know about it it could be it talks

2728
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,880
about a weapon system that can't be

2729
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:00,960
revealed because the world doesn't know

2730
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:03,600
about it or has information about us

2731
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,480
soldiers about cia representatives

2732
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:08,239
information that could impact our

2733
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,920
national security

2734
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,239
in ways that have nothing to do with et

2735
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:14,639
nothing to do with ufos but everything

2736
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,480
to do about weapon systems about the

2737
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,480
military about the cia

2738
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,480
a thousand and one things could be kept

2739
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:22,560
classified and as one thing we're

2740
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:25,040
revealing or learning with this

2741
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,880
particular controversy over hillary

2742
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,320
clinton's emails

2743
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,840
different agencies have different

2744
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,960
standards

2745
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:32,960
about what should be classified or why

2746
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,360
it should be classified those decisions

2747
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:38,159
may contradict what another agency says

2748
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:39,840
so agency aid

2749
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,960
it's not classified agency b it's secret

2750
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,360
agency c it's top secret

2751
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:48,000
agency d it's confidential do you see

2752
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:49,119
what i'm saying

2753
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:50,639
yeah but the official government

2754
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:53,280
position is there are no classified

2755
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,800
documents that have anything to do with

2756
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,639
ufos no matter what's in the documents

2757
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,280
there are no classified documents we

2758
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:01,280
have released everything that's the

2759
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,199
official government position you will

2760
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:05,600
definitely if you ask say does that mean

2761
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,960
a hundred percent of everything well

2762
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,400
anything would impact our national

2763
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,320
security they could say we're gonna keep

2764
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:12,080
that a secret it doesn't necessarily

2765
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,320
have to be about ufos but there could be

2766
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,560
information in there and i'm sure if you

2767
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:18,639
ask them and you look at the nuance

2768
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:20,560
they would admit that they would say

2769
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,199
yeah obviously things about national

2770
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:25,440
security even though we can say there

2771
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:28,320
are no ufos and all that stuff we might

2772
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:30,000
still have to withhold documents in the

2773
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:31,520
interest of national security because

2774
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,119
it's about other issues

2775
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,080
of course if you go to a foia request

2776
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,760
and you ask for something

2777
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:38,960
there will be things that will be

2778
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,400
redacted all the time why well there's a

2779
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:44,400
legitimate reason which i just cited

2780
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,840
they could also withhold a complete

2781
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:47,600
document out of national security and

2782
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,560
they do that they do that routinely

2783
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,199
i think we're basically trying to make

2784
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:55,360
something out of nothing here i assure

2785
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:58,080
you if they had information about ufos

2786
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,440
and they didn't want you to know about

2787
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,360
you wouldn't know about and you could

2788
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,119
look all day

2789
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:05,920
at something a government official says

2790
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,159
to find some evidence you could look at

2791
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:10,480
their heartbeat you can do anything you

2792
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,440
want

2793
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,600
but you won't find evidence of what they

2794
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:15,679
know if they don't want to tell you

2795
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:18,400
and national security is not a reason to

2796
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,639
assume it's about ufos

2797
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,159
the official government position is

2798
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,560
there are no classified they have

2799
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,880
released everything regarding ufos

2800
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,719
that's the official government position

2801
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,080
nothing's going to change my mind about

2802
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,239
that no matter when they get caught oh

2803
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,239
yeah then they'll say well you know this

2804
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:36,320
and that and whatever but the official

2805
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:38,159
government position is it's all been

2806
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,560
disclosed there is nothing we aren't

2807
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:43,360
hiding a thing they are hiding a thing

2808
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,400
about ufos look at the state they aren't

2809
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:48,800
hiding anything about ufos

2810
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:51,119
but they will always say there are

2811
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,560
things we have to withhold in the

2812
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:54,800
interest of national security all right

2813
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,760
and in terms of that if this is a matter

2814
01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:59,920
under deep security top security or

2815
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:02,400
higher above top secret

2816
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:04,560
they can just as well say

2817
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:06,719
we have no information and the reason

2818
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,840
they're saying that is because they

2819
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,600
can't tell you they do that's right you

2820
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,440
have to unacknowledge special access

2821
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:13,600
program so if you acknowledge that there

2822
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:16,000
is a program you go to jail i agree with

2823
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,679
that okay so therefore they're not going

2824
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,800
to tell you they're never going to tell

2825
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:20,880
you we could be whistling in the dark

2826
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:23,119
for the rest of our lives they won't

2827
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:24,400
tell you

2828
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,520
until

2829
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:26,880
they tell you

2830
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,679
and we can look into every nuance of

2831
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:31,520
what statements they make

2832
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,320
what they withhold from us all the

2833
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,480
henson tips we can even look at what

2834
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,080
hillary clinton has said because she has

2835
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,560
a dodge and her dodge is

2836
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:42,719
you know anything that does not impact

2837
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,960
national security that's her dodge i've

2838
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:47,440
heard her say it so she'll never tell

2839
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:49,360
you anything because it's going to be

2840
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,960
under youtube security you're

2841
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,560
cherry-picking evidence here what the

2842
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,320
statement she said is

2843
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,119
if it doesn't involve national security

2844
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:59,600
if i can get agreement she's going to

2845
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:01,520
sit down and look at it if it doesn't

2846
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:03,040
involve national security and if she can

2847
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,880
get agreement which means a number of

2848
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:06,880
things it means yes national security

2849
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,320
but it also means that she's going to

2850
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:10,080
look at the documents it's not like you

2851
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,000
know she's got to go to the evil cabal

2852
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:13,840
and try to beg for the documents she's

2853
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,719
going to look at the documents and

2854
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:16,000
podesta said the same thing she's going

2855
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,440
to look at the documents she's going to

2856
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,119
weigh national security versus

2857
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:21,199
unthinking secrecy and then she said if

2858
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,040
i can get agreement which means that

2859
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:25,360
there is laws there are rules she's

2860
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,880
going to talk to somebody and if she can

2861
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:28,880
get agreement she's going to release it

2862
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,480
we've got more to come with grant

2863
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:32,560
cameron and gene and chris you're in the

2864
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:40,149
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2920
01:48:08,090 --> 01:48:04,719
and now

2921
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:08,100
here's jane steinberg

2922
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:13,669
well as long as there's a national

2923
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:16,400
security dodge there but if she has a

2924
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:19,280
national security dodge if she says okay

2925
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,639
i looked at the material and it's

2926
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:22,400
national security i can't release it she

2927
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:23,920
has just confirmed that there's a

2928
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,639
cover-up she won't remember now hillary

2929
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,199
clinton is a lawyer she is very very

2930
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:31,840
careful in the things she says and we

2931
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:34,639
know this because of the way she phrases

2932
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:37,679
things very careful very cautious and as

2933
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:40,880
a result of that she is often criticized

2934
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,119
for being secretive deceptive because of

2935
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:45,119
the way she phrases things

2936
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:47,360
as long as she has a national security

2937
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:50,719
dodge however you phrase it she is never

2938
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:53,199
going to admit something unless she has

2939
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,719
no choice well i'm not saying she's

2940
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:56,320
going to admit the top secret stuff but

2941
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:59,040
if if she's in the white house she has

2942
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,960
made this promise if she gets a question

2943
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,159
from a reporter what do you say she's

2944
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:04,320
going to say i would say at this point

2945
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,679
not be surprised say right now we have

2946
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:09,199
not found anything

2947
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,639
well no she'll say something to the

2948
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:13,040
effect of well i could tell you but then

2949
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,800
like the other 70 people that have died

2950
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:16,800
around me and bill i'd have to kill you

2951
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,199
she'll come up with a very politically

2952
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,760
correct answer not to tell you anything

2953
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,280
and that's going to be the end of it i

2954
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:25,040
couldn't find anything

2955
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,600
and in a sense she's saying i couldn't

2956
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,679
find anything that i could tell you

2957
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,440
and that's where she's going to leave it

2958
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:33,840
as i said she's very circumspect i give

2959
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:35,119
that's the only way she'd get out of the

2960
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:36,960
box but if she says it's got national

2961
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:38,560
security implications i can't talk about

2962
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,800
it if she can't talk about it she won't

2963
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:42,480
admit she has it

2964
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,800
she will not admit she has anything

2965
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:47,520
that can has national security she won't

2966
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,400
do it because that's admission

2967
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,239
she's not going to make that admission

2968
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,480
unless she feels it's time

2969
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,629
she's going to do it she she didn't have

2970
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,560
to go where she went she didn't have to

2971
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:02,560
make this promise and and do this she's

2972
01:50:05,590 --> 01:50:04,000
already they've already moved the ball

2973
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:05,600
down the field same as john podesta

2974
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:06,719
saying there are classified documents

2975
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,560
that can be classified the way politics

2976
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,000
works there's not going to be a hail

2977
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,239
mary 100 yard touchdown it never happens

2978
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:14,080
in politics it's going to be gain one

2979
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:16,480
yard lose two yards gain one yard that's

2980
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,760
the way it's going to work it's there's

2981
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:19,280
never going to be a major disclosure i

2982
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,560
would agree with you on that where

2983
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,239
suddenly they're going to suddenly pull

2984
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,800
out e.t and on national tv no that's not

2985
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:26,480
going to happen but she's already moved

2986
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:28,960
the ball down the field by making this a

2987
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,000
situation where the last time before

2988
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:34,159
last may when these questions were asked

2989
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:35,440
by the white house press room the last

2990
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:36,960
time a ufo question was asked in the

2991
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,760
white house was in 1997 when webster

2992
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:41,440
hubble brought out his book and before

2993
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,040
that the last time a ufo question was

2994
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:45,760
asked in january of 1954 to eisenhower

2995
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,199
this is not a question that's usually

2996
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:48,800
asked to the white house even the fact

2997
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:50,480
that we're getting white house reporters

2998
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,560
asking serious questions is a move

2999
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,880
towards opening this subject up

3000
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,360
well i hope you're right it's happened i

3001
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:58,800
mean it's already happened you have

3002
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,080
these white house reporters who are

3003
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:01,760
asking serious questions you have

3004
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:02,880
hillary making this promise you have

3005
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,119
john podesta former chief of staff

3006
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,960
saying that hillary's going to sit down

3007
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:08,719
i've convinced her he even said in his

3008
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:11,119
tweet he said in his famous tweet of

3009
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:13,040
last year when he left the obama

3010
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,480
administration the day before he left

3011
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:15,760
the obama administration he makes his

3012
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:18,320
famous tweet where he said once again

3013
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:19,760
which means i talked to bill about it

3014
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,960
bill clinton about it and couldn't get

3015
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,719
it once again my biggest disappointment

3016
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,199
of 2014 was not getting the disclosure

3017
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,360
of the ufo documents which indicates to

3018
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:29,520
me he talked to obama about it so when

3019
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,960
he says about hillary he says on kls tv

3020
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:35,119
in las vegas where he says i think i

3021
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:37,119
convinced her it's almost like oh now

3022
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,119
he's got somebody who's going to to do

3023
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,360
this he gets the ball rolling so this is

3024
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:43,440
movement this is movement from from when

3025
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:46,000
i started in 1975 i mean you this kind

3026
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:47,440
of discussion wouldn't even have taken

3027
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,719
place nobody wouldn't even have thought

3028
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,639
that anybody even had the information

3029
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,560
disclosing it now we're talking about it

3030
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,000
and it's it's in the white house press

3031
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,080
room and you have every major newspaper

3032
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:58,080
the washington post the new york times

3033
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,760
doing straight pieces on this we have

3034
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,440
made movements it's not like a 100 yard

3035
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,679
touchdown but it's one yard one yard and

3036
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,960
that's how i believe this thing takes

3037
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,400
place it's going to be a gradual

3038
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:07,840
movement down the field it's not going

3039
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,800
to be you know some hail mary

3040
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:12,000
pass where

3041
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:13,040
everything is going to come out at one

3042
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:14,960
time so you're thinking there'll be

3043
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,040
gradual disclosure of some sort it's not

3044
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:19,360
going to be the president has a press

3045
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,440
conference or something and says i have

3046
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,360
something to tell you of extreme

3047
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:24,960
importance

3048
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,239
and goes into it that's not going to

3049
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,480
happen we'll wake up one day and realize

3050
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,719
the information is out there now that's

3051
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:33,360
something i might go along with

3052
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:35,199
and the only way i gradual disclosure

3053
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,280
where of course we are learning more and

3054
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,840
more about possible exo solar planets

3055
01:52:43,589 --> 01:52:41,920
we're learning more about them we see

3056
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:43,599
now that there might even be water on

3057
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:44,400
pluto

3058
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:49,520
molten core there might be water there

3059
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:51,920
liquid water we have that we have the

3060
01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:54,320
ingredients for some kind of life so

3061
01:52:59,109 --> 01:52:56,719
more and more we'll be hearing about the

3062
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,119
possibility of life

3063
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:01,840
but unless the press of events makes it

3064
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,520
happen otherwise

3065
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,599
that any disclosure would be something

3066
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:07,520
where we wake up one morning after a few

3067
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:08,480
years

3068
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:10,960
and we're aware of it but didn't come in

3069
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:13,440
one single announcement it came in baby

3070
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,719
steps and these baby steps are carefully

3071
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,480
controlled carefully telegraphed

3072
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:20,560
carefully designed i'll go along with

3073
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:21,440
that

3074
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,480
my my

3075
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:24,719
role of the dice there's that is is

3076
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,239
gradually been happening over the years

3077
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:28,560
this this little baby step thing but

3078
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:31,440
where i'm playing my cards is to force

3079
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,040
the white house press people who have

3080
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,040
asked these serious questions to ask

3081
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:37,920
obama to confront obama publicly on the

3082
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:41,040
subject and hope he stumbles yeah he'll

3083
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:41,760
go

3084
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,159
somebody okay say hello to my little

3085
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:48,400
friend

3086
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:49,840
and half half the country wouldn't

3087
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,760
believe that it was an alien

3088
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,599
i think half the problem also is we

3089
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,760
don't believe the authorities

3090
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,760
we don't trust government i think part

3091
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:59,040
of that is because at least in the

3092
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:00,560
united states they've done everything

3093
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:03,599
they can in the past 30 or 35 years to

3094
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,239
kill trust in government by cutting back

3095
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,719
everywhere so if you have a government

3096
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:10,239
agency it doesn't have the funds to be

3097
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,239
efficient doesn't have the personnel

3098
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,239
they do bad work they do

3099
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:16,560
slow work we don't believe them we don't

3100
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:17,760
accept them we don't believe we're

3101
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:19,280
politicians because they say things and

3102
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,800
we know they're not true

3103
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:23,280
so i kind of agree with what chris says

3104
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,840
here if e.t stands next to obama

3105
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,520
the democrats will believe it the

3106
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,520
independence will be split

3107
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:33,440
and the republicans will say

3108
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:35,679
it's just a foolish trick he's some

3109
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:37,280
idiot and a dummy

3110
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:39,199
that's what he is he's a muslim in

3111
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,639
disguise or something that's what

3112
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,920
they'll say

3113
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,599
that's what's going to happen we're not

3114
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:45,280
going to believe it now hillary is going

3115
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:46,880
to be the same thing

3116
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:48,560
she becomes president right now she

3117
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,560
looks good in the polls but a lot of

3118
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,440
people don't believe it don't accept her

3119
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,599
don't accept her as competent if she

3120
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,520
stands there with e.t

3121
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:59,360
they won't believe her either and the

3122
01:55:04,229 --> 01:55:01,679
same is true with a president trump

3123
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,239
because we'll have the fact checkers

3124
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:07,199
would be after him wondering what did he

3125
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,000
say that was false and is a lie

3126
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:12,560
that's the situation of politics now

3127
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:15,360
you'd almost have to have e.t land on

3128
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:17,920
their own terms for real disclosure to

3129
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,520
take place

3130
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:21,360
yeah and in the same same manner it

3131
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:23,119
works the other way that nobody believes

3132
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,000
the government when they say there's

3133
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:26,480
nothing to do with with ufos they

3134
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:28,000
basically believe this thing's for real

3135
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:29,920
and the getting the government's lying

3136
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,480
and the now even the media the major

3137
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:34,000
media washington post new york times all

3138
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:36,400
these people are now starting to believe

3139
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:38,000
the same thing that they don't believe

3140
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:39,920
the statements that there's nothing to

3141
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:41,360
it and we don't know what's going on and

3142
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,639
this sort of thing so it's worked the

3143
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:44,480
other way as well that basically

3144
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:45,920
everybody believes this is for real now

3145
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:47,840
and and that's maybe what they're trying

3146
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,719
to do is create this situation where

3147
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:52,560
people are being acclimatized where

3148
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:54,159
everybody basically believes it so when

3149
01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:57,199
you drop the the bomb that it's not

3150
01:56:01,510 --> 01:55:58,800
going to be as big a reaction as if

3151
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,520
everybody didn't believe it was going on

3152
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:03,119
chris yeah that's

3153
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:06,639
that's like a slow conditioning process

3154
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,159
is what you're describing

3155
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:10,000
yeah kid green actually talked about

3156
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:11,679
that if you've seen the interview with

3157
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,880
the uh the guys that do um the mirage

3158
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:16,239
men where they do the interview with kit

3159
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,159
green where he says you know what would

3160
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,000
you do if you face the situation you put

3161
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:22,159
out these stories you know these stories

3162
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:23,840
about aliens eating our kids and all you

3163
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:25,119
know all this sort of stuff and then

3164
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,800
when the story comes out it's you know

3165
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:28,719
it's just et's and then everybody says

3166
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:30,320
well you're not eating our kids no well

3167
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:32,400
what's the big deal so even kid green

3168
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:33,840
has talked about this this this

3169
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:36,080
conditioning thing where you sort of

3170
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,840
hype the thing up and

3171
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,760
try to get the people ready that it's a

3172
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:41,440
lower story than than what's in the

3173
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:43,599
media and when it comes out people just

3174
01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:44,960
go what's the big deal and i think

3175
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,880
that's almost right now is what's the

3176
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:48,400
big deal i think science is going to be

3177
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:50,480
much more affected than the public

3178
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:52,000
because science has maintained that this

3179
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:53,199
thing there's no way this thing's

3180
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,560
happening and you're going to have to

3181
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,560
sort of re-revisit

3182
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:57,920
the fact that probably everything you

3183
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,599
believed has been wrong

3184
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:01,520
yeah look at look at how the catholic

3185
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:02,880
church has been

3186
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:05,520
has been slowly backpedaling into

3187
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:06,800
accepting

3188
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:09,360
the possibility of extraterrestrial life

3189
01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:11,440
and they're all children of god as well

3190
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:12,320
and

3191
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:14,000
you you see

3192
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,599
a conditioning uh

3193
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:17,920
sort of process going on there as well

3194
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:19,679
yeah yeah i think that's a bit that was

3195
01:57:23,750 --> 01:57:21,599
the first book i wrote this um

3196
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:23,760
ufos mj

3197
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,960
area 51 where i believe that back

3198
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:28,639
starting in 1972 and this is where i

3199
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:30,239
talk about this fact where people talk

3200
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:31,599
about this disinformation thing that

3201
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:32,880
they're doing this and i said this

3202
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:34,239
doesn't make any sense at all like if

3203
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:36,000
you if you want just keep the story

3204
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quiet shut your mouth we're gonna shut

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so we pick up with grant cameron and the

3314
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:14,960
book again

3315
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:17,280
is another book about the clintons but

3316
02:02:21,430 --> 02:02:18,719
totally different than before the

3317
02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:21,440
clinton ufo storybook you were telling

3318
02:02:25,189 --> 02:02:23,440
us grant yeah i was mentioning this

3319
02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:25,199
thing about this gradual disclosure

3320
02:02:28,790 --> 02:02:26,560
thing that i believe this has been going

3321
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:28,800
on all along that the government has

3322
02:02:33,030 --> 02:02:31,360
been doing this acclimatization thing

3323
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:33,040
whereas in canada the government's never

3324
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:35,520
made a statement in the united states

3325
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:38,239
when they shut blue book in 1969 if they

3326
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:39,840
wanted to keep it quiet all they had to

3327
02:02:45,109 --> 02:02:42,080
do was not talk about it anymore so in

3328
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:45,119
1972 1973 they called bob emeneger a

3329
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:48,400
producer and and his associate alan

3330
02:02:52,229 --> 02:02:50,960
sandler los angeles uh with gray

3331
02:02:53,510 --> 02:02:52,239
advertising and they say we want you to

3332
02:02:57,510 --> 02:02:53,520
do these documentaries for the us

3333
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,520
military on uh dogs and 3d holography

3334
02:03:00,870 --> 02:02:59,280
and and all this kind of stuff and then

3335
02:03:02,229 --> 02:03:00,880
we'd like you to do this ufo thing and

3336
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:02,239
we'd like you to hide it under the other

3337
02:03:06,070 --> 02:03:04,320
eight documentaries and we had this

3338
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:06,080
landing at holloman air force base and

3339
02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:07,599
the aliens landed we shot from three

3340
02:03:10,390 --> 02:03:09,440
different positions and we've got this

3341
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:10,400
film and we're going to give you the

3342
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:11,199
film

3343
02:03:14,470 --> 02:03:12,639
if you want to keep it secret why would

3344
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:14,480
you call in these people and give them

3345
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,159
all this material to put on a

3346
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:18,480
documentary to like throw fire you know

3347
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:20,000
the fire is about to go out and they

3348
02:03:23,589 --> 02:03:21,920
take this gas and throw the gas on the

3349
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:23,599
fire the government has been stoking

3350
02:03:27,430 --> 02:03:25,840
this thing for years and just slowly

3351
02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:27,440
putting it out and putting it out with

3352
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:29,280
various statements like chase brandon

3353
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:30,880
the you know this high-level

3354
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:33,119
cia guy comes out and says roswell was

3355
02:03:36,390 --> 02:03:34,960
real and it was extraterrestrial and

3356
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:36,400
involved bodies this could have

3357
02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:38,000
backfired because he was this high-level

3358
02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:40,080
cia guy and the only thing that saved it

3359
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:42,239
was the media just went to sleep didn't

3360
02:03:45,189 --> 02:03:43,599
even follow up on the story when this

3361
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:45,199
guy came out made this statement so

3362
02:03:48,709 --> 02:03:46,960
they've been doing this all along

3363
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:48,719
dropping this stuff into the ufo

3364
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:50,000
community and dropping it into the

3365
02:03:53,910 --> 02:03:51,679
public and i believe it's this

3366
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:53,920
climatization thing to get people

3367
02:03:58,149 --> 02:03:55,679
ready for the fact that that this is for

3368
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:58,159
real well it kind of brings up the the

3369
02:04:02,950 --> 02:04:00,239
possibility that perhaps

3370
02:04:03,910 --> 02:04:02,960
some sort of timetable has been set in

3371
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:03,920
motion

3372
02:04:09,430 --> 02:04:07,280
and is in place um that requires that a

3373
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:09,440
certain amount of disclosure

3374
02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:10,400
is

3375
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:12,320
somehow attained

3376
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:15,040
by such and such a date so there may be

3377
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,440
an actual timetable going on here as

3378
02:04:21,669 --> 02:04:19,760
well it may not be as as

3379
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,679
you know by happenstance as as it

3380
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:23,599
appears just looking at it

3381
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:26,639
casually there may be a a real formula

3382
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:27,760
behind this

3383
02:04:31,910 --> 02:04:29,040
process of

3384
02:04:34,070 --> 02:04:31,920
of climate you know acclimatization

3385
02:04:35,830 --> 02:04:34,080
yeah it's like hillary says if i can get

3386
02:04:37,270 --> 02:04:35,840
agreement and this goes back to this

3387
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:37,280
idea if you

3388
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,040
follow robert collins his book exempt

3389
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:41,199
from disclosure and dolan references

3390
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:44,880
this uh 1991 august of 1991

3391
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:47,440
after the fall of the soviet union where

3392
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:48,800
they talked about they were going to do

3393
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:50,880
disclosure to bush they were going to go

3394
02:04:54,070 --> 02:04:52,400
to kennebunkport and they're going to

3395
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:54,080
have this disclosure thing and it was 8

3396
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:56,320
8 the vote was 88 and they figured they

3397
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:57,760
could swing the other eight people and

3398
02:05:02,070 --> 02:05:00,159
when they took the vote it was uh 12 to

3399
02:05:03,830 --> 02:05:02,080
four against and the whole thing fell

3400
02:05:06,229 --> 02:05:03,840
apart so i think that's one of the

3401
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:06,239
possibilities is that the vote may now

3402
02:05:09,189 --> 02:05:06,960
be

3403
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:09,199
whatever you know you know nine to seven

3404
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:10,880
where there are more people in favor of

3405
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:12,560
pushing this thing out than are against

3406
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:14,719
it so that's where i think it's

3407
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:16,400
significant when hillary says if i can

3408
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:18,560
get agreement which means there are

3409
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:20,480
there has to be some sort of law or some

3410
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:22,320
sort of process that she knows about

3411
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:25,360
which backs up what happened when we've

3412
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:26,960
uh chased the former president of penn

3413
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:29,119
state university around he was a guy

3414
02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:30,480
that we firmly believe knew what was

3415
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:33,199
going on and at one point he yells into

3416
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:35,199
the phone he said why should we change

3417
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,679
the rules to satisfy your curiosity and

3418
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,280
he was very upset and i found rules i

3419
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:41,520
mean it sort of confirmed the fact that

3420
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:43,119
there are rules in behind this thing

3421
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:45,360
that govern what's going on and it may

3422
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,960
come down to like anything else that at

3423
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:48,639
a high level there's a group that's

3424
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:50,719
handling this and that there may be a

3425
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:53,199
vote that has that john podesta may know

3426
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:55,119
about that they're in favor of this

3427
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:57,280
thing coming out and now we move it to

3428
02:06:04,470 --> 02:06:02,390
and also i think as the

3429
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:04,480
as the baby boomer generation gets on in

3430
02:06:09,189 --> 02:06:06,159
years i think we're we're seeing also a

3431
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:09,199
generational component here i think the

3432
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:11,760
younger the individual the less alarming

3433
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:13,920
i think the subject uh potentially can

3434
02:06:18,629 --> 02:06:16,400
be i think for for the millennials and

3435
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:18,639
and gen x's and and the subsequent

3436
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:20,480
generations after the after our baby

3437
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,639
boom generation i think as some of these

3438
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:24,719
old old dogs um

3439
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:26,000
pass on

3440
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:28,639
some of the secrecy and

3441
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:29,760
and the fear

3442
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,280
surrounding the subject is going to

3443
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:32,960
subside and i i think it's not going to

3444
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:34,400
be as as a

3445
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,800
as much of a big deal as it was in the

3446
02:06:39,990 --> 02:06:38,320
50s and 60s

3447
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,000
yeah yeah if science advances one

3448
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:42,800
funeral one funeral at a time when you

3449
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:44,960
get this tom delonge story which is now

3450
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:47,199
breaking uh you know he claims he's got

3451
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,040
these 10 or 12 sources high-level

3452
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,360
sources in the government who are

3453
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,880
giving him information which he can

3454
02:06:56,950 --> 02:06:54,880
bring to the to the young people just

3455
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:56,960
this sort of disclosure thing with

3456
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:59,280
fictional books and non-fictional books

3457
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,599
one he claims that one of his sources is

3458
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:03,360
john podesta and that john podesta

3459
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:05,440
agreed to play in this in this game of

3460
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:07,760
getting this information out uh it

3461
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:09,599
doesn't make sense that some

3462
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:10,480
you know

3463
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:12,400
pop star is

3464
02:07:18,069 --> 02:07:14,800
going to be in a position to

3465
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:18,079
uh interest uh higher-ups into divulging

3466
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:20,560
secrets i mean to me be the least likely

3467
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:23,760
person uh to gain any sort of headway

3468
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:26,159
how much gravitas do you you

3469
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:27,679
really place behind some of the

3470
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:28,880
statements that he's made and some of

3471
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:31,199
the claims that he's made well i believe

3472
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:33,360
like any any of the others that it's

3473
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:35,920
class it's unacknowledged special class

3474
02:07:39,510 --> 02:07:38,000
access material which means if you

3475
02:07:41,589 --> 02:07:39,520
release classified material you're going

3476
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:41,599
to jail so i believe that any of these

3477
02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:43,199
people whether it's greer whether it's

3478
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,400
de long uh whether it's uh

3479
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:48,480
you know emeneger that these people are

3480
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:50,320
being controlled that the material that

3481
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:52,159
they're getting is partly true and

3482
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:54,159
partly false because if you give them

3483
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:56,079
classified materials so when the long

3484
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:57,840
says he's getting this classified

3485
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:59,199
material i do not believe it for a

3486
02:08:02,470 --> 02:08:00,960
second it can't be classified because

3487
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:02,480
people are going to go to jail and i've

3488
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:03,840
never had a deep throat source come to

3489
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:05,199
me the first question i would ask a deep

3490
02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:06,719
sort of source who came to me and said

3491
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:08,480
i've got this unacknowledged special

3492
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:09,679
access material and i'm going to tell

3493
02:08:12,870 --> 02:08:11,040
you what's going on and say are you a

3494
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:12,880
patriotic american he'd say yeah and i'd

3495
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:14,560
say do you swear on oath to uphold the

3496
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,800
constitution and obey the law yeah well

3497
02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:18,560
you have lied to the u.s government

3498
02:08:22,229 --> 02:08:20,159
you're

3499
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:22,239
revealing top secret material why should

3500
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:23,840
i believe anything you're saying i

3501
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:25,119
believe that all this stuff is

3502
02:08:28,229 --> 02:08:26,560
controlled that the material that the

3503
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:28,239
long is getting is partly true and

3504
02:08:31,910 --> 02:08:29,920
partly false and there's some material

3505
02:08:34,629 --> 02:08:31,920
that i believe is definitely not true

3506
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:34,639
and the the main one is where he says

3507
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that the all these black budget programs

3508
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:39,920
are all independent that there is no

3509
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:41,760
oversight over all these programs that

3510
02:08:45,030 --> 02:08:43,440
everybody's just doing their whole thing

3511
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:45,040
and my experience with government in

3512
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:46,880
dealing with with government is that's

3513
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:48,239
the last thing that would be happening

3514
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,599
it's like you know seven copies of

3515
02:08:53,510 --> 02:08:51,599
documents and like you know piles of

3516
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,520
people overseeing everything there's no

3517
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:55,280
way that all these uh people are just

3518
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:57,199
got piles of black budget money and

3519
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:58,480
everybody's just doing their own thing i

3520
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:59,679
think it's there's going to be control

3521
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,520
over it so some of the stuff he says

3522
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,280
seems to make sense and some of it's not

3523
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:04,960
so i think he's being controlled and

3524
02:09:08,390 --> 02:09:06,239
it's the same thing it's like you put

3525
02:09:09,750 --> 02:09:08,400
out half true half false information you

3526
02:09:11,109 --> 02:09:09,760
can always when it comes back you say

3527
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,119
that's not true and that's true it's not

3528
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:13,280
true so all he's doing is raising

3529
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:15,199
consciousness to the young people they

3530
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,960
want the message to get to the young

3531
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:19,040
people so you use a rock musician he

3532
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volunteered to do it and there are

3533
02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:22,800
probably lots of people who are being

3534
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,920
given uh partly to partly false material

3535
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:27,920
to feed out into the community and it's

3536
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:30,239
like you put mud in the water and the

3537
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:31,920
people could talk about it and the more

3538
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:33,040
people talk about it the more the

3539
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:34,880
consciousness rises and the more people

3540
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,159
believe there's something to it which is

3541
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:37,920
what you want

3542
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:39,920
now just to point out something here

3543
02:09:43,990 --> 02:09:41,280
before we go on

3544
02:09:45,830 --> 02:09:44,000
covering so many different things here

3545
02:09:47,910 --> 02:09:45,840
that it's really impossible to parse

3546
02:09:50,229 --> 02:09:47,920
everything because right now as i said

3547
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:50,239
we're dealing with speculation and hopes

3548
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:51,440
and dreams that something's going to

3549
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:53,280
happen especially because you know you

3550
02:09:56,709 --> 02:09:55,920
and i are baby boomers grant yeah chris

3551
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:56,719
is

3552
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:00,960
i say just shy of the baby boomer class

3553
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:03,360
and we'd like to know

3554
02:10:07,990 --> 02:10:05,920
before we're gone

3555
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:08,000
what's going on here

3556
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:09,679
we really would

3557
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:11,679
i really hope i can find out i mean i've

3558
02:10:16,069 --> 02:10:13,440
been at this thing since i was 11 years

3559
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:16,079
old i'm holding my breath and i'm really

3560
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:20,790
that's right you see chris is almost

3561
02:10:23,510 --> 02:10:21,920
blue

3562
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:23,520
and we can't

3563
02:10:27,669 --> 02:10:26,079
let him die without knowing the secret

3564
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:27,679
yeah

3565
02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:30,159
we have grant cameron with gene and with

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[Music]

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yes chris is on the respirator right now

3671
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he's on the respirator we want to get

3672
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:20,000
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so that eventually he's going to

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go to wherever his reward is

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knowing the seeker with a smile on his

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actually it's kind of fun not knowing

3677
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yeah it's easy for you to say

3678
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:40,239
that's it's a mystery chasing the

3679
02:15:44,390 --> 02:15:42,719
mystery right yeah well yeah i'm just

3680
02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:44,400
waiting for someone to show up

3681
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:46,400
with a samsonite filled with you know

3682
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:48,480
used hundred dollar bills saying you've

3683
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:50,239
just uncovered an amazing secret and

3684
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:52,239
we're gonna have to ask you and

3685
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:53,760
and convince you that uh you're not

3686
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:55,360
gonna talk about this because most

3687
02:15:58,470 --> 02:15:56,960
people don't have a need to know so

3688
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:58,480
here's your little reward for keeping

3689
02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:59,840
your mouth shut

3690
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:02,239
yeah yeah i'm holding my breath be the

3691
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:03,760
first guy ever to make money in the ufo

3692
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:05,040
business

3693
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:06,960
yeah

3694
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:11,440
i was with you guys i mean bassett asked

3695
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:13,040
me publicly in front of the actual

3696
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:14,560
conference and we had a panel and there

3697
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:15,760
was a bunch of people in the room he

3698
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:17,520
said everybody went down the road when

3699
02:16:20,109 --> 02:16:18,800
do you think disclosure's gonna happen

3700
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:20,119
and i said

3701
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:21,760
2042.

3702
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,440
i mean i never i said the same thing

3703
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:24,960
like there's no way i wrote an article

3704
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:26,320
on my website called the reasons they

3705
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:28,159
decided not to tell you the truth and i

3706
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:30,320
have like 65 reasons and i said if i

3707
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:32,080
gave anybody the briefings as to why

3708
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:33,920
they're withholding this nobody in their

3709
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:35,280
right mind would disclose there's

3710
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:36,479
there's no way there's so many things

3711
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,559
that could go wrong and so i never

3712
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:39,920
believed they would disclose all i'm

3713
02:16:42,790 --> 02:16:41,280
saying right now

3714
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:42,800
when this happened i said this is the

3715
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,080
first time we've really been on the

3716
02:16:48,469 --> 02:16:46,559
front pages of newspapers since 1947

3717
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,479
something has changed like this hillary

3718
02:16:53,349 --> 02:16:50,719
clinton thing has sort of ignited people

3719
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:53,359
talking about it nothing may happen but

3720
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,120
you can see that it's not what it was

3721
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:57,280
before that that the consciousness has

3722
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:59,120
risen and we are talking about this

3723
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:00,479
issue we

3724
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:02,160
this interview would be taking place if

3725
02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:03,920
hillary hadn't made these statements

3726
02:17:08,309 --> 02:17:06,479
yeah well we can blame it on the x-files

3727
02:17:11,110 --> 02:17:08,319
every time they come out with new x-file

3728
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:11,120
uh reboots and stuff the interest seems

3729
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:13,760
to to shoot up dramatically the one

3730
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:16,240
thing about the current x-files reboot

3731
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:17,920
which was earlier this year and right

3732
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:19,519
now we don't know when or if there'll be

3733
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:22,559
another one that six-episode arc

3734
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:24,880
what they said is that in the past they

3735
02:17:29,429 --> 02:17:27,439
talked about e.t here they said that all

3736
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:29,439
the conspiracies were from our

3737
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:30,639
government

3738
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:33,840
based on what they recovered roswell as

3739
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,080
opposed to an ongoing alien conspiracy

3740
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:38,160
so they kind of dialed it back

3741
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,160
and put more in the government's hands

3742
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:42,479
you notice that grant i i didn't watch

3743
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:45,040
the series so i i i never watch anything

3744
02:17:54,549 --> 02:17:51,830
so you didn't uh go down to roswell and

3745
02:17:55,990 --> 02:17:54,559
listen to don schmidt huh

3746
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:56,000
no i haven't been to roswell for a few

3747
02:18:01,990 --> 02:18:00,150
yeah it's amazing to me that uh we were

3748
02:18:04,549 --> 02:18:02,000
talking about this before uh before we

3749
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:04,559
had you on that uh certain individuals

3750
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:06,719
can get caught with their fingers in the

3751
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:09,280
cookie jar and the piggy bank and then a

3752
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:10,559
few months later it's like it never

3753
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:11,760
happened

3754
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:13,120
it's like you know

3755
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:14,960
you know

3756
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:17,519
oops you caught me on that one

3757
02:18:21,669 --> 02:18:19,679
yeah well people see that's what the one

3758
02:18:23,990 --> 02:18:21,679
problem i found in the ufo community is

3759
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:24,000
you'll get statements where like chase

3760
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:26,080
brandon comes out and you know makes a

3761
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:28,160
very dramatic statement or or

3762
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:29,920
ronald reagan stands up according to

3763
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:31,920
steven spielberg and says you know

3764
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:33,040
he looks around the room as if he's

3765
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:34,880
doing a head count after the et

3766
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:37,599
screening in 1982 and says you know i

3767
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:38,719
just want to let you know there are

3768
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:40,080
there are a number of people in this

3769
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:41,519
room that know everything on that screen

3770
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:43,359
is absolutely true and it gets a sort of

3771
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:44,719
excitement you get a story and it gets

3772
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:46,479
excited people talk about it for a week

3773
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:47,920
and then we go back to like what's the

3774
02:18:51,669 --> 02:18:49,840
latest uh video what's the latest

3775
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:51,679
sighting and we just sort of forget it

3776
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:53,840
we go to the next story we don't really

3777
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:55,519
stick with anything in the ufo community

3778
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:58,240
we just jump from one story to another

3779
02:19:01,509 --> 02:19:00,399
you know that's true short attention

3780
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:01,519
spans

3781
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:02,880
very very short

3782
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:03,679
yeah

3783
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:06,559
in real selective memory too um

3784
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:08,319
you know i'm surprised phil and brogno

3785
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:11,200
isn't out in his mit sweatshirt uh

3786
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:13,599
giving lectures he would be one of the

3787
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:15,760
rare examples of somebody that

3788
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:17,599
you know got caught red-handed uh

3789
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,240
falsifying in his case his educational

3790
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:22,559
background and it didn't just take a

3791
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:24,639
six-month hiatus and come back out like

3792
02:19:30,469 --> 02:19:27,679
nothing nothing happened uh

3793
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:30,479
it's just it's it's bizarre to me how

3794
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:33,519
people can be completely discredited and

3795
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:36,880
yet turn around some months later and

3796
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:38,399
everybody just pretends like it doesn't

3797
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:40,639
it never happened yeah yeah well for a

3798
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:41,679
lot of people i think it's just

3799
02:19:45,030 --> 02:19:43,359
entertainment value like in the in the

3800
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:45,040
end of the 19th century

3801
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:47,200
people used people doing seances and

3802
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:48,559
talking to dead people and stuff that

3803
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:50,000
was the entertainment now it's like the

3804
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:51,840
ufo is the is it sort of an

3805
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:53,120
entertainment factor we've got you know

3806
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:54,399
the big house and the two cars and our

3807
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:56,240
kids are in school you know university

3808
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:58,160
and now we're in some entertainment so

3809
02:20:01,750 --> 02:20:00,160
let's look at the ufo thing and that's i

3810
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:01,760
think one of the problems is people look

3811
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:03,600
at it as entertainment and that's as far

3812
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:04,640
as it goes

3813
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,200
but that's also true about television

3814
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,600
where the reality shows always have

3815
02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:11,840
entertainment based elements

3816
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:12,640
yeah

3817
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:14,080
but do you think in the ufo community

3818
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:15,600
this is one of the more important issues

3819
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,520
of all times that someone would stick to

3820
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:18,960
it like i remember the when chase

3821
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,479
browning came forward and then i talked

3822
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:22,000
to huffington post they got like seven

3823
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:23,840
million hits the first day and they were

3824
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:25,359
doing a second interview and i said okay

3825
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:27,120
we sent this letter to the cia and they

3826
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,640
deny they could find the documents and

3827
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,319
so we had all these questions for chase

3828
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:32,800
brandon and uh i was told by the

3829
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,800
reporter oh we're off the record we're

3830
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:36,080
just gonna have a couple of beers i said

3831
02:20:39,830 --> 02:20:38,720
come on this is like a major story and

3832
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:39,840
they dropped it and everybody else

3833
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:41,600
dropped it and they nobody ever picked

3834
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:43,359
it up i couldn't believe it did this guy

3835
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:45,520
just walk back into the darkness and

3836
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:47,600
nobody did anything about it

3837
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:49,920
well and also isn't chase brandon he's

3838
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,120
also

3839
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:54,160
one of the lays on uh people

3840
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:56,000
with hollywood uh

3841
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:58,800
sure it represents uh the cia's interest

3842
02:21:04,550 --> 02:20:59,520
in

3843
02:21:06,389 --> 02:21:04,560
like zero dark 30 argo he's been

3844
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:06,399
involved in some uh some pretty

3845
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:07,760
significant

3846
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:10,720
films and and uh in hollywood projects

3847
02:21:15,590 --> 02:21:13,359
uh so it's not like he disappeared into

3848
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:15,600
the into the darkness uh well he doesn't

3849
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:18,000
do that anymore he he's under contract

3850
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:19,280
he admitted he's under still under

3851
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:21,040
contract to ci we'd like we all like to

3852
02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:22,319
help he says

3853
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:26,000
but he from 1995 to 2005 he had that job

3854
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:28,000
and that made him according to

3855
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:29,600
the people i

3856
02:21:34,150 --> 02:21:31,840
referenced uh the second most powerful

3857
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:34,160
person in the cia to spock to speak

3858
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:36,080
publicly on behalf of the cia without

3859
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:37,520
getting permission so he could sort of

3860
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:39,520
talk on behalf of the cia make deals and

3861
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:41,200
stuff like that so he was this high

3862
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:42,640
ranking guy

3863
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:44,240
who um

3864
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:45,439
people just sort of ignored the only

3865
02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:46,640
person that really picked up on it was

3866
02:21:53,510 --> 02:21:50,800
billy cox from the um from florida who

3867
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:53,520
actually contacted the archivist

3868
02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:55,359
and the archivist said the cia's made a

3869
02:21:59,349 --> 02:21:57,439
statement i can't comment on it and he

3870
02:22:02,630 --> 02:21:59,359
wrote an article but otherwise

3871
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:02,640
this high-level guy just basically

3872
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:06,240
disappeared and even billy cox asked the

3873
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:08,080
ci one of the former cia directors was

3874
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:09,920
down there and he asked him he said what

3875
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:12,399
do you say about uh chase brandon making

3876
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:14,560
this statement about roswell and he said

3877
02:22:19,910 --> 02:22:17,840
uh he just said well he's a good guy i

3878
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:19,920
remember him and he wouldn't comment on

3879
02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:21,840
it so i have a comment right here i

3880
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:22,880
noticed

3881
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:25,200
yeah it's dated

3882
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:28,720
2012 from billy cox and he evidently

3883
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:31,840
talked to jennifer youngblood

3884
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:34,880
a cia public information officer who

3885
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:38,319
said our historians have found nothing

3886
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:40,640
in the agency's holdings to corroborate

3887
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:43,840
mr brandon's specific claims

3888
02:22:47,750 --> 02:22:45,680
yeah and that's why that's the rest of

3889
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:47,760
it right there there's more to it but

3890
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:50,160
that's the fundamental yeah but there's

3891
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:52,479
i at grant i absolutely agree with you i

3892
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:53,920
mean they should have nailed him to the

3893
02:22:57,910 --> 02:22:56,080
wall with questions and yeah well that's

3894
02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:57,920
what yeah sure the huffington post they

3895
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,680
had a second interview with them and i

3896
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:01,520
said okay the cia is saying they

3897
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:04,080
couldn't find the documents ask him did

3898
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:06,399
he talk did the cia talk to him to ask

3899
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:08,080
him where the documents were and and

3900
02:23:11,190 --> 02:23:09,600
questions like that and that's when he

3901
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:11,200
said oh we're off the record we're just

3902
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:12,960
gonna have a couple of beers together

3903
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:14,399
and i went

3904
02:23:18,150 --> 02:23:16,720
get out of here you got this big story

3905
02:23:20,950 --> 02:23:18,160
and you're gonna have a couple of beers

3906
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:20,960
with a guy i mean i couldn't believe it

3907
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:23,040
was that lee that uh said that yeah yeah

3908
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:24,720
it was lee

3909
02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:26,560
yeah and he had they he got like

3910
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:27,920
whatever seven million hits the first

3911
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:29,280
day i figured like you're running with

3912
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:31,840
this major story and let's go with the

3913
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:33,920
with part two and there never was a part

3914
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,720
two that that almost kind of

3915
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,479
sounds suspicious

3916
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:40,080
yeah i don't know

3917
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:41,680
because we i was involved in this there

3918
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:44,240
was four researchers uh robbie graham

3919
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:47,359
started this thing where um we sent the

3920
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:50,240
letter to the cia and and and they came

3921
02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:51,920
back and said this basically the same

3922
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:53,840
thing that we can't find the documents

3923
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:55,280
by the way i want

3924
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,760
this big piece of information before we

3925
02:24:01,349 --> 02:23:59,520
go to our next segment

3926
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:01,359
a different perspective from kevin

3927
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:02,640
randle

3928
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:03,840
he says

3929
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:07,280
nope and nope i do not believe his tale

3930
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:09,439
just as i don't believe philip corso's

3931
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:12,000
tale when approached by others as corso

3932
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:14,720
was peddling his book sometimes you have

3933
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:17,120
to see behind the scenes this is a case

3934
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:20,240
where the veil is nearly transparent

3935
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:22,560
brandon wants you to buy his book and

3936
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:25,760
though i do read science fiction i won't

3937
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:27,280
buy this one i'll ask you for your

3938
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:29,680
comment in our next segment with rand

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cameron and jean and chris you're in the

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4037
02:28:54,309 --> 02:28:46,000
blindness that's 1 800 blindness there

4038
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:56,870
hey this is marie d jones the author of

4039
02:29:02,070 --> 02:28:59,359
this book is from the future

4040
02:29:13,349 --> 02:29:02,080
and you are listening to the paracast

4041
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:15,990
so chase brandon is not believed by

4042
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:19,280
kevin randle at all okay obviously grant

4043
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:21,600
what do you think okay the key word is

4044
02:29:25,990 --> 02:29:24,399
believed if he had talked to him if he

4045
02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:26,000
had gone and interviewed him then it

4046
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:27,600
would mean something to me but just

4047
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:28,800
because he doesn't believe him doesn't

4048
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:30,720
mean anything chase brandon had the book

4049
02:29:36,150 --> 02:29:33,359
he told the reporter the book had been

4050
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:36,160
reviewed twice by the cia and he said if

4051
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:37,680
you want a good read read the book if

4052
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:39,600
you really want to learn something read

4053
02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:41,920
between the lines so he's a significant

4054
02:29:46,389 --> 02:29:44,319
player i just ask people let's talk to

4055
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:46,399
him let's interview him let's question

4056
02:29:49,030 --> 02:29:47,680
him about what he's meaning about all

4057
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:49,040
this kind of stuff but to sit on the

4058
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:50,399
sidelines i mean everybody's got a

4059
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:52,560
belief i mean that doesn't mean anything

4060
02:29:56,630 --> 02:29:54,479
so he may be lying he may be telling the

4061
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:56,640
truth but he's a significant player who

4062
02:30:00,790 --> 02:29:59,280
walked out had one interview everybody

4063
02:30:01,990 --> 02:30:00,800
allowed him to walk back in the only

4064
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:02,000
person that really did something i don't

4065
02:30:06,230 --> 02:30:03,359
know what happened is john john

4066
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:06,240
alexander filed an foia with the cia and

4067
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:07,760
i don't know what happened with that

4068
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:09,200
he was interested enough to actually

4069
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:11,040
file and so i give john alexander credit

4070
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:12,479
where he actually did something with

4071
02:30:16,630 --> 02:30:14,479
this but when people don't do anything

4072
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:16,640
when this guy's there and nobody

4073
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,800
actually follows up on it i mean that

4074
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:21,120
just annoys me well the other thing here

4075
02:30:24,150 --> 02:30:22,080
also

4076
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:24,160
is that kevin is complaining that this

4077
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:27,120
guy doesn't have any evidence to back up

4078
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:29,120
what he claims it's just a claim but how

4079
02:30:32,630 --> 02:30:30,800
would he know that he's looking at what

4080
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:32,640
he's written what he said if he

4081
02:30:35,110 --> 02:30:33,600
interviewed him i would have some

4082
02:30:37,510 --> 02:30:35,120
respect for his opinion but if he hasn't

4083
02:30:39,349 --> 02:30:37,520
interviewed him and or filed an foa or

4084
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:39,359
done anything it's just an opinion

4085
02:30:42,150 --> 02:30:40,560
that's why i'm saying we should go i

4086
02:30:43,429 --> 02:30:42,160
mean it was an interesting story whether

4087
02:30:45,030 --> 02:30:43,439
it's true or not

4088
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:45,040
this high level guy

4089
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:47,280
let's get him on the record and let's

4090
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:49,680
let's question him on this thing i mean

4091
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:50,880
and then he's talking about bringing out

4092
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:52,720
a second ufo book so i mean we're going

4093
02:30:56,309 --> 02:30:54,240
to do this whole thing again there'll be

4094
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:56,319
one interview done with them and they'll

4095
02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:57,600
drop this stuff in and that's how

4096
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:59,120
they're able to do this kind of stuff is

4097
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:00,640
because they know that the attention

4098
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,880
span in the ufo community is so short

4099
02:31:06,550 --> 02:31:05,040
that people will say everybody will talk

4100
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:06,560
about it then somebody like randall or

4101
02:31:08,870 --> 02:31:07,600
somebody will come out and say it's a

4102
02:31:10,630 --> 02:31:08,880
hoax and everybody say oh it's hulk's

4103
02:31:12,070 --> 02:31:10,640
okay what's the latest what's the juice

4104
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:12,080
long video you see that jerusalem video

4105
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:13,280
and everybody will go on to something

4106
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:15,120
else and and that's how we get suckered

4107
02:31:18,389 --> 02:31:16,240
into all this kind of stuff because we

4108
02:31:19,830 --> 02:31:18,399
don't spend any time doing any proper

4109
02:31:21,270 --> 02:31:19,840
investigation

4110
02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:21,280
right yeah

4111
02:31:24,630 --> 02:31:22,800
not like the good old days where people

4112
02:31:26,710 --> 02:31:24,640
actually did dig

4113
02:31:29,190 --> 02:31:26,720
and did research and and

4114
02:31:30,950 --> 02:31:29,200
it was much more difficult to do it back

4115
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:30,960
in the old days uh when you didn't have

4116
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:33,439
the internet you didn't have access to

4117
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,840
these huge databases and and whatnot you

4118
02:31:39,910 --> 02:31:37,760
really had to had to earn it people are

4119
02:31:42,070 --> 02:31:39,920
just have become complacent they they

4120
02:31:45,030 --> 02:31:42,080
just there's so much information pouring

4121
02:31:46,469 --> 02:31:45,040
in on a daily basis that people's eyes

4122
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:46,479
glaze over and

4123
02:31:48,790 --> 02:31:47,200
and

4124
02:31:51,190 --> 02:31:48,800
i think half the time they're not even

4125
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:51,200
aware of what's important uh some of

4126
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,760
these important stories they just don't

4127
02:31:57,030 --> 02:31:55,200
they just don't have sticky power

4128
02:31:59,590 --> 02:31:57,040
anymore let me ask you about chase

4129
02:32:01,750 --> 02:31:59,600
brandon all right the reason that we

4130
02:32:04,230 --> 02:32:01,760
have someone like kevin randall being

4131
02:32:06,150 --> 02:32:04,240
skeptical is he doesn't see evidence to

4132
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:06,160
say what this guy says is correct so

4133
02:32:09,990 --> 02:32:07,920
where is the evidence the positive

4134
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:10,000
evidence that his claims are true we

4135
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:12,240
didn't get the positive evidence from

4136
02:32:16,389 --> 02:32:14,640
philip corso nobody bothered to even ask

4137
02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:16,399
him or check exactly that's the point

4138
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:18,080
nobody asked him if somebody had asked

4139
02:32:23,590 --> 02:32:21,359
him like the the question i had to leave

4140
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:23,600
was ask him whether the cia talked to

4141
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:25,439
him about because they said we couldn't

4142
02:32:29,670 --> 02:32:28,000
find the material so the question was

4143
02:32:31,030 --> 02:32:29,680
did he have an interview after he went

4144
02:32:32,630 --> 02:32:31,040
on coast to coast in front of millions

4145
02:32:34,230 --> 02:32:32,640
of people and made this statement did

4146
02:32:36,469 --> 02:32:34,240
the cia come and say what the hell are

4147
02:32:37,830 --> 02:32:36,479
you talking about what's going on where

4148
02:32:39,349 --> 02:32:37,840
are these documents did they have an

4149
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,359
interview that was the number one

4150
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:41,120
question did the ci talk to you after

4151
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:42,640
you did this big interview on coast to

4152
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:44,880
coast and nobody asked them a question

4153
02:32:49,510 --> 02:32:47,200
and so to me that's delinquent research

4154
02:32:51,510 --> 02:32:49,520
to me it's and i'm partly responsible as

4155
02:32:52,870 --> 02:32:51,520
well you know maybe it's not easy to get

4156
02:32:54,630 --> 02:32:52,880
to these people but there's these people

4157
02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:54,640
popping up and uh

4158
02:32:59,349 --> 02:32:56,560
i don't mind if people are skeptical but

4159
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,359
at least talk to him i mean if he is

4160
02:33:04,550 --> 02:33:01,600
visited by somebody that gives him

4161
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:04,560
credibility but the mere fact of being

4162
02:33:09,190 --> 02:33:07,120
acknowledged as someone that requires

4163
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:09,200
attention if you ignore him and of

4164
02:33:13,110 --> 02:33:10,560
course we have this statement from the

4165
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:13,120
public information officer the cia

4166
02:33:18,469 --> 02:33:15,760
that basically slapped him down but if

4167
02:33:20,389 --> 02:33:18,479
you went there and actually visited him

4168
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:20,399
he could say well they visited me this

4169
02:33:24,389 --> 02:33:21,920
proves they were interested this proves

4170
02:33:26,230 --> 02:33:24,399
what i say is true but if you let him

4171
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:26,240
swing in the wind

4172
02:33:29,190 --> 02:33:28,080
twist in the wind you let the guy twist

4173
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:29,200
in the wind

4174
02:33:32,950 --> 02:33:30,640
you ignore him

4175
02:33:34,469 --> 02:33:32,960
then he has nothing to say look

4176
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:34,479
they're taking me seriously if they

4177
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:36,560
don't take him seriously well maybe they

4178
02:33:40,230 --> 02:33:38,000
don't believe him they think he's just a

4179
02:33:42,469 --> 02:33:40,240
crackpot looking to sell a book and

4180
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:42,479
that's the impression they convey right

4181
02:33:45,429 --> 02:33:43,760
or wrong

4182
02:33:47,429 --> 02:33:45,439
true or false

4183
02:33:50,309 --> 02:33:47,439
that's the way you handle it yeah except

4184
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:50,319
part of the story is that the cia

4185
02:33:53,990 --> 02:33:52,319
reviewed the book twice

4186
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:54,000
which means they basically helped write

4187
02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:56,160
the book so they can make any statements

4188
02:33:59,429 --> 02:33:57,520
that they don't believe you know that

4189
02:34:01,429 --> 02:33:59,439
this is not real or whatever

4190
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:01,439
basically they had their fingers and and

4191
02:34:04,710 --> 02:34:03,040
the reporter that did the initial

4192
02:34:06,389 --> 02:34:04,720
interview told me at one point it had

4193
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:06,399
been reviewed eight times that chase

4194
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:08,080
brandon told him eight times it was the

4195
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,520
most reviewed book he couldn't believe

4196
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:11,359
the the amount of review that they did

4197
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:12,800
on this and you got to change this take

4198
02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:14,319
this classified material which means

4199
02:34:17,429 --> 02:34:16,319
they had a finger and that's why i say

4200
02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:17,439
this is the kind of stuff that you got

4201
02:34:20,870 --> 02:34:19,120
to ask them about did they review the

4202
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,880
book what did they say can i get the

4203
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,479
review card and all this kind of stuff

4204
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:24,080
there was no questions asked him he just

4205
02:34:29,030 --> 02:34:26,960
came he told this bizarre story and then

4206
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:29,040
walked off and the ufo community allowed

4207
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:30,800
him to walk off and and did nothing

4208
02:34:33,750 --> 02:34:32,240
about it and then we say well there's no

4209
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:33,760
evidence but the evidence was there we

4210
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:35,760
just didn't really try to dig in and get

4211
02:34:38,710 --> 02:34:37,520
at it maybe there was evidence there

4212
02:34:40,230 --> 02:34:38,720
well this is something we're not going

4213
02:34:42,710 --> 02:34:40,240
to solve maybe we should get them on the

4214
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:42,720
power cache and ask them these questions

4215
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:44,960
because you're the third party i mean it

4216
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,359
was a bizarre bizarre incident and it

4217
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:49,439
seems to have happened a number of times

4218
02:34:54,309 --> 02:34:51,920
where people come and they sort of drop

4219
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:54,319
something and then they walk away and

4220
02:34:57,030 --> 02:34:55,600
we're almost like the media and i don't

4221
02:34:58,950 --> 02:34:57,040
really blame the media because it's a

4222
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:58,960
24-hour news cycle and the ufo community

4223
02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:00,479
is almost like a 24-hour news cycle as

4224
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:02,479
well is that we read the story and then

4225
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:04,240
we get bored and and we got to go on to

4226
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:06,000
the next story same as the media it's

4227
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:07,520
like that's yesterday's story we're on

4228
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:09,120
to the next story and and so we just

4229
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:11,120
jump from story to story and we really

4230
02:35:14,950 --> 02:35:13,359
don't analyze anything very carefully i

4231
02:35:16,710 --> 02:35:14,960
suppose we don't have the facilities to

4232
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:16,720
do that certainly as i said the

4233
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,240
mainstream media doesn't there are too

4234
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:20,800
many things coming this way and that and

4235
02:35:24,309 --> 02:35:22,560
they have to focus on a few stories they

4236
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:24,319
have to focus now of course on the

4237
02:35:29,910 --> 02:35:27,520
presidential campaign about the

4238
02:35:32,309 --> 02:35:29,920
sexual harassment allegations against

4239
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:32,319
roger ailes the head of fox news all

4240
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:34,880
these stories take precedence over some

4241
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:37,359
wacky people talking about ufos

4242
02:35:40,469 --> 02:35:39,760
we have the clinton ufo storybook out

4243
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:40,479
there

4244
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:42,640
with information that prepares you for

4245
02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,640
the hope that maybe

4246
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:46,479
secretary clinton should she become

4247
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:48,080
president of the u.s

4248
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:50,240
will be more forthcoming about ufos than

4249
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:51,840
her predecessors

4250
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:55,520
so do you expect disclosure to happen in

4251
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:57,120
our lifetimes

4252
02:36:01,670 --> 02:36:00,160
i believe more now i used to think never

4253
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:01,680
would happen i actually thought it was

4254
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:04,080
going to happen in may when they started

4255
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:05,920
asking these questions at the white

4256
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:07,600
house press

4257
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:09,439
room i figured it was about to happen

4258
02:36:12,790 --> 02:36:10,640
because i figured it's just a matter of

4259
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:12,800
time until obama comes out and he gets

4260
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:14,640
hit with this question but there was a

4261
02:36:17,750 --> 02:36:16,319
delay and then it's faded off again i

4262
02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:17,760
mean i would not be surprised if it

4263
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:18,640
happened

4264
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,040
tomorrow if obama's asked a question and

4265
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:23,840
he stumbles or he says yes i was briefed

4266
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:25,520
then this thing could unravel very very

4267
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:27,359
fast and i think that's the key is if

4268
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:28,800
people realize the president has been

4269
02:36:32,230 --> 02:36:30,560
briefed you don't brief the president on

4270
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:32,240
something that doesn't exist if it

4271
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:34,479
becomes known in the white house that

4272
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:36,080
the president has been briefed on this

4273
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:38,319
subject i think it could unravel almost

4274
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:40,000
instantly and again it could go on for

4275
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:41,200
another couple of years because they've

4276
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:43,359
been very good at sort of moving this

4277
02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:45,439
avoiding questions and so it could go on

4278
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,880
for a couple years i'm really not too

4279
02:36:50,550 --> 02:36:48,399
sure i just think hillary's in a bit of

4280
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:50,560
a box that she's made this statement and

4281
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:52,319
now she's going to have to say something

4282
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:54,960
once she's the president if she makes it

4283
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:57,200
if she makes it i'd say there's a 50 50

4284
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:58,960
chance she'll say anything about it

4285
02:37:02,710 --> 02:37:00,560
unless someone asks at a press

4286
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:02,720
conference grand cameron please tell our

4287
02:37:07,150 --> 02:37:04,240
listeners where they can find more of

4288
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:07,160
the stuff that you work on my website is

4289
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,439
presidentialufo.com and i have a white

4290
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:11,760
house ufo blog those are two places

4291
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:14,319
where i post material my next article

4292
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,560
will be on this whole emergency

4293
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:18,800
management thing where i believe this

4294
02:37:22,630 --> 02:37:21,120
thing is being run from and the evidence

4295
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:22,640
that all points to it that's basically

4296
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:24,319
what i'm up to and the book the hillary

4297
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:25,760
clinton book is just people should not

4298
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:27,200
see it as a political book it's just a

4299
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:29,760
book that basically tells as much as i

4300
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:32,160
can a historical story of the interest

4301
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:33,439
by bill and hillary clinton in this

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02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:34,800
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